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re: Seth MacFarlane On SCOTUS Cake Ruling: Just Like Not Seating Black People
Posted on 6/6/18 at 2:16 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 6/6/18 at 2:16 pm to Antonio Moss
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People who say this sound incredibly stupid
Very true, I mean one would think with the discovery of the sexual orientation gene this conversation would be over by now.
Oh wait..............
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 2:17 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Other than both including references to homosexuals, I'm not sure. I'm just interjecting based on what others have said.
What is the relevance of the recent discussion in this thread as it pertains to the case being discussed originally
Posted on 6/6/18 at 2:47 pm to FooManChoo
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It is objectively immoral because it violates the objective (from a human perspective) moral law of God.
So you believe that birth control is immoral? masturbation? Celibacy?
Posted on 6/6/18 at 2:52 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Very true, I mean one would think with the discovery of the sexual orientation gene this conversation would be over by now.
Oh wait..............
Common gene variances in Homosexuals
Posted on 6/6/18 at 2:58 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:No. It's clear from the Bible that sex is meant to be pleasurable and to be an outlet for sexual frustration and desire, so that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be done with the intent to procreate.
So you believe that birth control is immoral?
quote:Yes, but because it invariably includes lust
masturbation?
quote:Celibacy is actually a good thing if there is no desire to be married at all and no sexual urges that need to be quenched. Some people just don't have a sex drive and don't want to settle down, and that's fine. Celibacy is actually called a "gift" in the Bible, but it's not a gift that everyone has, obviously.
Celibacy?
Posted on 6/6/18 at 3:02 pm to FooManChoo
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No. It's clear from the Bible that sex is meant to be pleasurable and to be an outlet for sexual frustration and desire, so that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be done with the intent to procreate.
OK, so, in your view, objective morality doesn't have to be objectively consistent.
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Yes, but because it invariably includes lust
And here is where we differ. I agree with objective morality but not as you define it (or what issues you believe to be objectively immoral). I think it's absolutely insane to believe that moderate masturbation is immoral.
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Celibacy is actually a good thing if there is no desire to be married at all and no sexual urges that need to be quenched. Some people just don't have a sex drive and don't want to settle down, and that's fine. Celibacy is actually called a "gift" in the Bible, but it's not a gift that everyone has, obviously.
OK, so again, logically inconsistent.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 3:08 pm to Antonio Moss
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“There will be men who have the form of gene that increases the chance of being gay, but they won’t be gay.”
Lol
Posted on 6/6/18 at 3:09 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:Where is the inconsistency?
OK, so, in your view, objective morality doesn't have to be objectively consistent.
quote:1. What is your standard of objective morality and why?
And here is where we differ. I agree with objective morality but not as you define it (or what issues you believe to be objectively immoral). I think it's absolutely insane to believe that moderate masturbation is immoral.
2. Why is it "absolutely insane" that masturbation where lust is involved is immoral according to the standard that God has set? Jesus said that if you even look at another woman with lust in your heart you have committed adultery. How does masturbation with the lustful thoughts of other women (or men) not violate the words of Jesus?
quote:How?
OK, so again, logically inconsistent.
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 6/6/18 at 3:10 pm to the808bass
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There will be men who have the form of gene that increases the chance of being gay, but they won’t be gay.”
Lol
Do you not understand how genetics work?
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 6/6/18 at 3:14 pm to FooManChoo
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Where is the inconsistency?
Your argument is that birth control is not immoral even though it is engaging in sex without chance of procreation which you subscribed to as "God's plan."
Same goes for selective celebacy.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 3:14 pm to Antonio Moss
I do. That’s the point. There is no “gay gene.” Just like there’s no “good at basketball” gene. There never will be.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 3:17 pm to FooManChoo
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What is your standard of objective morality and why?
There are certain things that basically everyone agrees are immoral - murder, rape, etc. But there can also be substantial overreach in declaring things as objectively immoral without any reason behind the declaration.
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Why is it "absolutely insane" that masturbation where lust is involved is immoral according to the standard that God has set? Jesus said that if you even look at another woman with lust in your heart you have committed adultery. How does masturbation with the lustful thoughts of other women (or men) not violate the words of Jesus?
If you believe those words were actually uttered and whose account of Christ's words were chosen to be published to the denial of others.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 3:18 pm to the808bass
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do. That’s the point. There is no “gay gene.” Just like there’s no “good at basketball” gene. There never will be.
OK, so you don't understand how genetics work.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 3:21 pm to Antonio Moss
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Common gene variances in Homosexuals
About the only truth to there being a gay gene is this
Posted on 6/6/18 at 3:24 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
So no one can craft an argument as to why the article lacks credibility?
Posted on 6/6/18 at 3:28 pm to FooManChoo
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You have a misunderstanding about what the Bible teaches so you look at a paradox and believe it to be a contradiction.
Unless you are a pastor or went to a parochial school where they taught Bible/Babble classes every day, I almost certainly have an equal to or better understanding of what the Bible says and does not say. I've spent far more (mostly) wasted time studying it than I'd care to admit.
Your views on original sin and homosexuality are just another classical example of cherry-picking scripture. I can turn literally everything you just said into an argument for Islam and you'd think it was all a bunch of white noise. I would ask you to ask yourself why that is, but based on your replies, I don't think you're capable of holding a mirror up to your own religion.
I'm not going to bother replying to your repeated examples of special pleading, this has been done to death, so I'll sum it all up like this:
What you and so many others that hold anti-homosexual positions are doing is precisely what you'd expect to see when you presuppose divine authority with absolutely no evidence and allow it to dictate politics, governmental decisions and the minds and decisions of an average intelligence public. Homosexuals are shunned for no good reason other than a committee of people chose to write some nonsense down thousands of years ago and credulous people are willing to believe anything ranging from outlandish, fantastical bullshite to psychotic nonsense in exchange for the promise of immortality.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 3:30 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:I'm guessing you're thinking of someone else's comments as I scoured through all of my posts in this thread and didn't see any mention of God's plan, though I know that's a common statement Christians make, especially Roman Catholics.
Your argument is that birth control is not immoral even though it is engaging in sex without chance of procreation which you subscribed to as "God's plan."
Same goes for selective celebacy.
It's my understanding that the Bible teaches that God made sex good for pleasure and recreation as well as procreation, so long as it is done within the context of marriage.
Celibacy is also specifically called a gift (as in, from God) in the NT because it allows the Christian to put their focus on God without the trappings that come with supporting a wife and children, though obviously it is still good to get married and have children as the gospel gets passed from parent to child as a primary means of missions work. The typical state is to get married and seek to have children but celibacy is not sinful, nor is it inconsistent with God's "plan".
Posted on 6/6/18 at 3:32 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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NO ONE has a right to force me to do business with them. PERIOD. Why anyone ever bought into that bullshite in the first place is beyond me, a freaking child knows that if they own a toy, they get to decide who can play with that toy, not the other way around.
No one is making you. You just aren't willing to deal with the potential consequences
Posted on 6/6/18 at 3:33 pm to FooManChoo
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It's my understanding that the Bible teaches that God made sex good for pleasure and recreation as well as procreation, so long as it is done within the context of marriage.
So the only reason homosexual sex is objectively immoral is because it takes place outside the confines of religiously-sanction marriage? It's immorality of circumstance and not action?
Posted on 6/6/18 at 3:35 pm to bmy
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No one is making you. You just aren't willing to deal with the potential consequences
Said Stalin as he marched the men to the gulages.
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