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Serious question about ASYLUM.

Posted on 6/21/18 at 10:18 am
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42593 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 10:18 am
My very first 'serious question' post - treat me kindly.

If I understand correctly, all this current falderol is because these people are claiming ASYLUM after being apprehended for not crossing the border legally.

IF THAT /\ is not correct, then no further response to the rest of this question needs be considered.

SO - assuming that as true, WHY does the claim of ASYLUM apply to MEXICO??

My understanding of the real legalities (based on obvious truth) is that if you are fleeing an evil regime based on fear for your life or health then as soon as you reach a nation where that fear is no longer a condition of your existence, then you should seek asylum THERE.

As bad as MEXICO is, I am not aware that we accept asylum claims from MEXICO.

So WHY should we accept asylum claims from ANYONE crossing our border from MEXICO, regardless of whether they do it legally or NOT.

WHAT is the basis for the special conditions granted for OTM invaders?

IF they don't arrive by aircraft or boat from the offending nation WHY should they be granted special privileges??

ESPECIALLY when it is a proven fact that over 4/5 of these invading aliens are using the asylum claim as a RUSE to benefit from those privileges.

Can someone help me out here???
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67488 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 10:20 am to
quote:

WHY does the claim of ASYLUM apply to MEXICO??

They're not wanting asylum bc of Mexico, they're claiming it bc of gangs and DV
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
79090 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 10:23 am to
Because they are claiming refugee status, but they are actually immigrants......well attempted immigrants anyway.
Posted by TigerBait1971
PTC GA
Member since Oct 2014
14865 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 10:25 am to
And we have ports of entry where they can claim asylum legally.

These fricks decide to sneak over instead and get caught.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
59864 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 10:30 am to
All asylum claims should begin at the US Embassy in their home country. End of story.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42593 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:05 am to
quote:

All asylum claims should begin at the US Embassy in their home country. End of story.


So why should laws that specifically address asylum apply to groups of aliens sneaking across the border??

Why is this NOT just ignored out of hand??

Why is the response not = "asylum?? I don't see no stinking' asylum here - WTF you tawkin' 'bout."
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42593 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:07 am to
quote:

Because they are claiming refugee status


Is there a legal distinction between "refuge" and "asylum?"

Posted by Pussykat
South Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
3889 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 1:28 pm to
Really need some clarification on the asylum business. Anybody?
Posted by Hetfield
Dallas
Member since Jun 2013
7025 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 7:10 pm to
Serious question about ASYLUM
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Posted by LSUconvert
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2007
6229 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 7:12 pm to
quote:

ESPECIALLY when it is a proven fact that over 4/5 of these invading aliens are using the asylum claim as a RUSE to benefit from those privileges.


I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42593 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 7:19 pm to
quote:

I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.


Then fill me in - I am here to learn.

Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 7:30 pm to
quote:

Then fill me in - I am here to learn.



ruse
ro?oz,ro?os/Submit
noun
an action intended to deceive someone; a trick.
"Eleanor tried to think of a ruse to get Paul out of the house"
synonyms: ploy, stratagem, tactic, scheme, trick, gambit, cunning plan, dodge, subterfuge, machination, wile
"his offer to help with my presentation was just a clever ruse"


Don't you love stupid people "correcting" you?
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
40106 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 7:33 pm to
Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
8073 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 7:36 pm to
Political asylum is to be granted if things are good but not great, and you decide to walk across the border with your children

-The Left

This post was edited on 6/21/18 at 7:39 pm
Posted by americanrealism
Smoking an 8th in the multiverse
Member since Nov 2012
1515 posts
Posted on 6/21/18 at 7:38 pm to
quote:

Really need some clarification on the asylum business. Anybody?


FACT SHEET: Asylum in the United States
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13373 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 3:23 am to
Under the old admin, you claimed for asylum, were issued a court date and released.....into the US. There are over 600,000 pending court dates so yours would be years from now. Tightening the ole purse strings prevented hiring more immigration judges, so predictably the problem has become an absolute mess.

So Sessions has done the following. Moved judges from other parts of the country to do "tours of duty" on the border. Put quotas in place for the number of people seen each day by each judge. Started doing group hearings. Rather than marching people into the court one at a time, bringing in 30 or 40 line them up and go down the line asking them what they plea.

He has also made it clear, if you file for asylum, we will keep you on the border and have a trial within 20 days. If your are refused asylum, you will be logged in the system and if you return its a felony. Or you can just say forget it and we will send you home, your choice.

It was never about the kids. The libs want the old policy of catch and release. They would rather have a few extra votes, than worry about some kid being buggered by some pervert, the ends justify the means in their mind.

I give Sessions a lot of credit. He has even set up tent cities to hold these clowns at the border. And spoken with Mattis about bringing over military judges to help make certain they hit the 20 day timeline.

ICE is now hitting businesses hiring illegals. This new restructure of govt by Mulvaney will take a HARD look at benefit fraud by illegals.

Word will get out, you aint getting released, and you aint gonna get away with asylum.

So if we choke off the pipe at the border, and make the rewards dry up on the other end, we might actually get control of the situation. Unfortunately there isnt a lot we can do about the 10s of millions of anchor babies already in the states.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42593 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 5:30 am to
quote:

FACT SHEET: Asylum in the United States


Thank you for that = I find that 'asylum' is a gold mine awaiting exploitation by unscrupulous 'open border' radicals in the USA.

the phrase 'credible fear of torture or persecution based on race, religion, etc' would seem to an honorable person a good thing to offer real asylum to truly persecuted individuals or groups.

But I would bet everything I own that over 90% of these new applicants for 'asylum' are using it as a ruse to unlawfully gain admittance within our borders. They are just trying to escape their shite-hole countries and are being used by nefarious forces for political gain within the USA.

This loophole needs to be tightened up and/or eliminated entirely.

btw - thanks for the serious replies - I have been on the road since posting this and I absolutely hate fat-fingering my iPhone to type anything at all.
Posted by OneFifty
No favorite team now
Member since Aug 2012
3872 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 5:55 am to
Great question and answers.

Also, TbirdSpur2010 will absolutely love your use of ‘falderol’ in the OP, as do I.
Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
8073 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:03 am to
quote:

the phrase 'credible fear of torture or persecution based on race, religion, etc


If you listen to the media America is the worst offender of such things. Not sure why’d they come here
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 10:05 am
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