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re: Seeing some articles say covid19 is the most significant world event since WW2?
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:20 pm to SouthdownsTiger4178
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:20 pm to SouthdownsTiger4178
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9-11 shut down America for what 2 weeks maybe.
Umm it completely changed the way we travel. It changed several ways of life we’ll never see again.
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Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:22 pm to CoolKat
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No, we will not see the same loss of life in numbers (as even a normal season of flu). But the degree of personal and family sacrifice needed to overcome this, is very similar to WWII.
Italics mine. Explain if you don't mind. Is your claim that had the sacrifices not been made it could've been worse? I don't necessarily disagree with this, but how bad do you think it would have been if treated like a normal "flu" type situation?
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:23 pm to beaverfever
Staying away from Grandma and Grandpa, loss of jobs and personal wealth, loss of graduation ceremonies and other memories kids anticipate for years, loss of childhood experiences because 2 plus months of school and summer are completely disrupted for children, adolescents and teenagers...I can keep going.
Read the experiences of medical personnel in Italy. Then compare Italy (a country of 11 million) to Orleans and Jefferson parish (fraction of the people and square miles) on similar days of outbreak. Come back to me in 7 days, please. I'll be happy to be wrong.
Read the experiences of medical personnel in Italy. Then compare Italy (a country of 11 million) to Orleans and Jefferson parish (fraction of the people and square miles) on similar days of outbreak. Come back to me in 7 days, please. I'll be happy to be wrong.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:25 pm to Slingin Pickle
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Umm it completely changed the way we travel.
In addition, it started the avalanche that led to the removal of governments (and their occupation by U.S. and coalition forces) of Iraq and Afghanistan, the election of Obama ...
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It changed several ways of life we’ll never see again.
... AND the Patriot act.
The U.S. defense structure (not counting the U.S. government as a whole, the largest organization in the history of mankind) was completely revamped. The most far flung, extensive military mobilization since World War II.
9/11 was almost the same level of event for the nation as Pearl Harbor and for the World as Hitler's invasion of Poland (although not as bloody, obviously).
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:26 pm to CoolKat
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As a physician and patriot, I can't upvote you enough. The resources required to care for this disease and the complete disruption to our entire way of life (not to mention the world's economy) is unprecedented. No, we will not see the same loss of life in numbers (as even a normal season of flu). But the degree of personal and family sacrifice needed to overcome this, is very similar to WWII.
Problem is....not many people or corporations have the ability to sacrifice enough for others (personally or financially). Therefore, we will all suffer more than people will acknowledge today.
To not see it as such lacks self awareness and demonstrates the selfish nature of most of our society.
Very prepared for downvotes.
We’ll get them together. There has not been a single thing in the past 80 years that has had a more profound impact on a global scale than this. Will the loss of life measure up to other things? Certainly not. But loss of life isn’t the only measuring stick. Just in America, almost every single school age child is home schooling for a month. 25% of the work force is at home. Our President is appearing on TV daily to give a briefing and asking us to not congregate and socialize. Beaches are closed. Airlines are basically shite down. Cruise ships shite down. fricking Disney World is shut down.
And I’m not doomsdaying this. I formerly believe our president made the right decisions, and we’ll look back on this and say it was wayyy overblown. But the impact it is having globally is far worse than any other single event since WWII.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:26 pm to CoolKat
quote:Yeah you’ll need to keep going if you are trying to compare this to WW2.
Staying away from Grandma and Grandpa, loss of jobs and personal wealth, loss of graduation ceremonies and other memories kids anticipate for years, loss of childhood experiences because 2 plus months of school and summer are completely disrupted for children, adolescents and teenagers...I can keep going.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:26 pm to Slingin Pickle
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Umm it completely changed the way we travel. It changed several ways of life we’ll never see again.
Did 9/11 cause 20% unemployment in the US, cause virtually every border to be closed, and cause national shutdowns of basically our all our major industries?
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:27 pm to CoolKat
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Then compare Italy (a country of 11 million) to Orleans and Jefferson parish (fraction of the people and square miles) on similar days of outbreak.
If you're posting on this board, I must assume you have broader access to the internet. Italy (the nation) has 60 million people.
Do you mean Lombardy (which would be just about right)?
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:27 pm to timdonaghyswhistle
I meant that if we truly would have sacrificed, as needed, early in this disease, we would have prevented a lot less disease and minimized the complete drain on our healthcare system and ultimately economy and social experiences that we have not finished experiencing yet. This is not going to end in 4 weeks or 15 days like Fauci said. We have not done enough early enough.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:30 pm to SouthdownsTiger4178
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Did 9/11 cause 20% unemployment in the US, cause virtually every border to be closed, and cause national shutdowns of basically our all our major industries?
Worse. How old are you?
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:30 pm to CoolKat
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We have not done enough early enough.
If that's the case, we really should have done nothing but isolate/quarantine the old folks. If you're right (which is unlikely, but possible), then it is #NeverEnough
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:30 pm to Ace Midnight
Typo. 61 million vs 11 million. My bad. You helped validate the point, chief. Thanks.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:31 pm to CoolKat
What would you have done in say late January?
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:00 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
There are many valid points made in this thread about significant world events since WW2 that trump the worldwide fallout and reaction to this virus, but there is one not mentioned that plays into many of the others: communist takeover of China in 1948.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:06 pm to TheXman
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Probably the fall of Berlin wall
Fall of the Berlin wall was a GOOD thing for Europe, though.
So I guess it depends on what OP means by "significant." If he means significantly "bad" then I would put Kung Flu up high, if not top, of the list since WWII.
In America it's easily the worst since 911, and probably worse economically. Stock market lost 3,000 points in one day which was the worst EVER by sheer points. By percent drop it was the worst since 1987's Black Monday. And this crisis is going to last longer.
So, yeah, I can see it being the worst since WWII (if economics plays into it).
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:11 pm to Slingin Pickle
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Worse. How old are you?
I'm 59, I'm guessing your 15 or have a similar mental capacity.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:10 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
We're still on the front end of this thing, so we don't know what will come of it.
9/11 was awful for so many reasons, but it was mainly an American event. It was different.
This is global. I have friends and relatives in the UK, Europe and New Zealand, and we are all going through the same thing at the same time, and we're all able to communicate instantly about it. I doubt that's ever happened in the history of humanity.
9/11 was awful for so many reasons, but it was mainly an American event. It was different.
This is global. I have friends and relatives in the UK, Europe and New Zealand, and we are all going through the same thing at the same time, and we're all able to communicate instantly about it. I doubt that's ever happened in the history of humanity.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:06 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
The answer is 9/11 I think...but it's damn close
I've said before, children in 2148 will read about us in history books and ask the teacher...."but why?"
I've said before, children in 2148 will read about us in history books and ask the teacher...."but why?"
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:22 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
In the late 70's we had to worry about the Bugs:
I remember when Killer Bees were going to be the end of the world as they were on the cover of Time and Newsweek magazines.
Once the Cold War ended, we needed to replace nuclear holocaust with another threat...it became Bees (because not much was happening worldwide.)
Then it became AIDS and Bees, then Pit Bulls were going to kill us all:
Then global warming:
Not one cover of heart disease or hypertension.
Just bees, bugs, AIDS, mysterious viruses, dogs, climate change.
The big event since WW2?
Everyone dying of heart disease.
And nobody fricking talks about it.
I remember when Killer Bees were going to be the end of the world as they were on the cover of Time and Newsweek magazines.
Once the Cold War ended, we needed to replace nuclear holocaust with another threat...it became Bees (because not much was happening worldwide.)
Then it became AIDS and Bees, then Pit Bulls were going to kill us all:
Then global warming:
Not one cover of heart disease or hypertension.
Just bees, bugs, AIDS, mysterious viruses, dogs, climate change.
The big event since WW2?
Everyone dying of heart disease.
And nobody fricking talks about it.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 1:24 am
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:29 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
I swear some if not most of you were the kids seen on spring break.
However, most of you are older and in denial.
However, most of you are older and in denial.
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