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re: Science Increasingly Makes the Case for God--WSJ--Eric Metaxas
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:20 pm to GumboPot
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:20 pm to GumboPot
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What are the consequences of being Christian?
If we are to believe the NT, the fruit of the spirit is: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self control.
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And just to keep it political, if we were all perfectly Christian would there be a need for a government?
Yes, because all fall short. To be Christian is to know you aren't perfect. Though a federalist government, like that envisioned by our founders, would be much more realistic.
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:21 pm to GumboPot
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You expecting an instantaneous answer. It won't happen. The answer will likely come through living and specifically love.
Unintentional patronization is a staple of the Christian message.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:21 pm to Hester Carries
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I guess he was on vacation for 24 years.
He didn't tug at my heart for 32 years.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:22 pm to TK421
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Yes, because all fall short. To be Christian is to know you aren't perfect. Though a federalist government, like that envisioned by our founders, would be much more realistic.
I agree.
But I also agree if we were all full of grace, government would be a foreign concept.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:25 pm to Hester Carries
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Unintentional patronization is a staple of the Christian message.
I never knew that. Maybe it's insecurity by the person receiving the message?
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:31 pm to GumboPot
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I never knew that. Maybe it's insecurity by the person receiving the message?
No. Its that i was a believer for 23 years of my life. Like a went voluntarily 3 times a week. More than just going through the motions. For you to act like the reason i dont believe is because i dont know what you know is ludicrous.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:37 pm to Hester Carries
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Its that i was a believer for 23 years of my life.
In that amount of time, how many people did you win to the Lord?
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:37 pm to Hester Carries
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For you to act like the reason i dont believe is because i dont know what you know is ludicrous.
You're right that would be ludicrous.
Sorry you lost your faith.
But it wouldn't be called faith if logic and science could completely explain it, would it?
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:40 pm to GumboPot
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In that amount of time, how many people did you win to the Lord?
Looking back on it? Hopefully none.
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But it wouldn't be called faith if logic and science could completely explain it, would it?
Nope, thats the definition of faith haha. It would however be called knowledge.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:44 pm to Hester Carries
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Looking back on it? Hopefully none.
Then stop saying you were a "believer" for 23 years. Just say I went to church for 23 years because my parents made me. Now that they can't I'm a free thinker.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:45 pm to Hester Carries
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Nope, thats the definition of faith haha.
Then you shouldn't expect science or logic to completely explain a belief system, right?
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:48 pm to Lg
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Then stop saying you were a "believer" for 23 years. Just say I went to church for 23 years because my parents made me. Now that they can't I'm a free thinker.
Why would I say that? I was a believer. I tried to witness to people. At the time I hoped i could bring people to christ.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 2:49 pm to GumboPot
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Then you shouldn't expect science or logic to completely explain a belief system, right?
No, i do expect that. I agree with your definition of faith, but i think its bonkers.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:02 pm to Hester Carries
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No, i do expect that. I agree with your definition of faith, but i think its bonkers.
Well, I hope you are able to do full proofs of every scientific construct you accept as truth.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:03 pm to TK421
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Well, I hope you are able to do full proofs of every scientific construct you accept as truth.
Thats the plan
Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:08 pm to Hester Carries
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No, i do expect that. I agree with your definition of faith, but i think its bonkers.
To kind of get back to the OP, both science and religion seek the same end, truth. Science's approached to the problem the scientific method and logic. Religion approaches the problem from the perspective of faith and morals. It's a beautiful thing when the two converge especially for not so obvious issues.
For example; abortion. The first Christians preached that abortion was wrong (see the Didache). They had no clue why it was wrong nor that it killed a genetically unique human being. That took full faith on their part. It wasn't until the 20th century that we were able to scientifically proved in a laboratory repeatedly that a newly fertilized egg is a genetically unique human being.
But science doesn't answer the question of why abortion is wrong. Only faith and morals can provide that answer.
The same with stealing. The same with murder. The same with lying. Science can prove you stole, it can prove you killed, and it can prove you lied. But it doesn't answer the question of why those things are wrong.
Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:10 pm to Hester Carries
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Thats the plan
You don't know much about science, do you? Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:12 pm to TK421
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You don't know much about science, do you?
What does science assert that it hasnt proven?
Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:18 pm to Hester Carries
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What does science assert that it hasnt proven?
Science isn't some omnipotent being, "it" can't do anything.
And the proofs exist within the philosophy of science, my contention that you will accept plenty of those proofs without the ability to solve them yourself.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:21 pm to TK421
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Science isn't some omnipotent being, "it" can't do anything.
Like increasingly make case for god? haha
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And the proofs exist within the philosophy of science, my contention that you will accept plenty of those proofs without the ability to solve them yourself.
I would just like an example of something that the scientific community claims to be true that hasnt been proven.
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