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re: Science Increasingly Makes the Case for God--WSJ--Eric Metaxas
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:09 pm to asurob1
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:09 pm to asurob1
Ill put it to you differently.
Years ago when I was a kid.
We thought that only our solar system had only 9 planets and those were the only planets in the entire star filled sky.
Now we believed that was unlikely but that's all we could prove.
Now we are discovering new planets every day...between the ones in our solar system (Kepler belt for the win) to the ones out of our solar system circling other stars.
The odds of one of those planets having some form of life is low.
But it is possible...
Years ago when I was a kid.
We thought that only our solar system had only 9 planets and those were the only planets in the entire star filled sky.
Now we believed that was unlikely but that's all we could prove.
Now we are discovering new planets every day...between the ones in our solar system (Kepler belt for the win) to the ones out of our solar system circling other stars.
The odds of one of those planets having some form of life is low.
But it is possible...
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Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:11 pm to Hester Carries
quote:
To say something is a miracle because it has such an improbable chance of happening is to greatly underestimate the amount of things that I've ever happened
this says it better than I did
everything is close to impossible, yet here we are
This post was edited on 1/2/15 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:12 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
"Virtually" impossible
but can happen.
The odds of me winning the lotto are very low.
But can happen if I play.
Is life here a happy accident, the evidence certainly points to that.
What it doesn't point to is dinosaurs and humans roaming the earth together :P
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:13 pm to asurob1
quote:Rob, that is simply false. It's not even true, if as you believe, "the guy" does not exist. Because the issue is perception based effect. As goes the perception so goes the effect.
And that is far and away more likely then some guy you pray to every night is both listening and guiding his will through you.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:14 pm to asurob1
quote:as I said.
but can happen.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:16 pm to NC_Tigah
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Rob, that is simply false. It's not even true, if as you believe, "the guy" does not exist. Because the issue is perception based effect. As goes the perception so goes the effect.
The bedrock of Christianity (as well as a few others) is prayer.
The idea that billions of people are being heard through telepathy by an all-powerful deity.
Come on. You're smarter then this.
(though to be fare I wish I could throw my thoughts to others :P)
This post was edited on 1/2/15 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:17 pm to asurob1
quote:And?
The bedrock of Christianity (as well as a few others) is prayer.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:24 pm to TigerRad
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And the odds of a particular raindrop landing on a particular grain of sand in your driveway are equally astronomical, yet it happens everyday
No it doesn't. Can you give me an example of where a previously identified raindrop fell on an identified grain of sand.
That does not happen everyday at all. Not even, I suspect, every millenium.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:29 pm to I B Freeman
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No it doesn't. Can you give me an example of where a previously identified raindrop fell on an identified grain of sand.
That does not happen everyday at all. Not even, I suspect, every millenium.
How old is the universe?
The Sun?
The Earth?
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:32 pm to I B Freeman
quote:
Can you give me an example of where a previously identified raindrop fell on an identified grain of sand.
Can you give me an example of the universe being previously identified?
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:33 pm to I B Freeman
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Can you give me an example of where a previously identified raindrop fell on an identified grain of sand
im pretty sure no statistician is flying around up there tagging raindrops and tracking them to "previously identified" sand
its hardly the point
surely you dont mean to deny that a rain drop hits a grain of sand billions of times everyday? and what are the odds that the drop that hits a grain was going to hit that grain?
the reality we know (including the existence of life and everything else) is the way things turned out....had it turned out some other way it would have been just as unlikely
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:35 pm to TigerRad
Can I get a headcount of people who converted to deism/agnosticism/atheism because of this thread?
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:37 pm to TideCPA
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headcount of people who converted to deism/agnosticism/atheism
as I already pointed out....every single poster in the thread including yourself(and probably on the entire internet) is an atheist
with regard to Odin
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:38 pm to TideCPA
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Can I get a headcount of people who converted to deism/agnosticism/atheism because of this thread?
I'd like a head count of how many became atheists after going to college.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:38 pm to Hester Carries
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Can you give me an example of the universe being previously identified?
Nope.
I am in ahh of the universe. There may be many universes. I can't understand the edge of the universe and never ending voids and billions of stars. I just can't.
I am not so arrogant to discount the existence of an intelligent creator of the universe given the complexity I see.
Why is it a stretch to believe in God yet think that from nothing came the forces of physics and nature and the universe??
Just curious.
IMHO it is pretty arrogant to definitely discount another's belief on the subject.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:42 pm to Revelator
quote:
I'd like a head count of how many became atheists after going to college.
I did, but only because my professors threatened me with eternal damnation otherwise. Plus if they didn't like me I would've probably had to transfer to Auburn.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 4:04 pm to TideCPA
The whole fine tuning of the universe is a pretty terrible argument.
1. This universe is supposedly finely tuned for life yet the almost the entire universe cannot support life. If the universe is tuned for the purpose of life to exist it's tuned very poorly.
2. The argument assumes life is special. There are countless things in the universe that could not exist if you change the laws of physics, yet no one would tell me the universe is tuned for them.
1. This universe is supposedly finely tuned for life yet the almost the entire universe cannot support life. If the universe is tuned for the purpose of life to exist it's tuned very poorly.
2. The argument assumes life is special. There are countless things in the universe that could not exist if you change the laws of physics, yet no one would tell me the universe is tuned for them.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 4:09 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
Everyone should listen to this video, and really try to understand every word. Every word says something important that must be understood. No more, "it's just a theory." LINK
It's possible that the universe is a type of hologram. What will the fundies thing of this?
Oh, it's just two minutes.
It's possible that the universe is a type of hologram. What will the fundies thing of this?
Oh, it's just two minutes.
This post was edited on 1/2/15 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 1/2/15 at 4:16 pm to Loveland Tiger
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No more, "it's just a theory."
So what is it?Posted on 1/2/15 at 4:25 pm to Loveland Tiger
quote:
No more, "it's just a theory."
quote:
It's possible that the universe is a type of hologram.
You're right. That's not a theory; it's just bullshite.
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