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re: Science Increasingly Makes the Case for God--WSJ--Eric Metaxas
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:40 pm to mahdragonz
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:40 pm to mahdragonz
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Is it sad that someone who constantly spouts junk about Jesus wouldn't know that premarital sex isn't against the Jewish religion. Or is it funny?
I'm not Jewish and am not obligated to abide by Jewish laws and regulations and never have been. It's irrelevant to me as a Christian whether Jews were free to have premarital sex or not. Jesus said that it's wrong to commit adultery or formication and that's what is pertinent to my faith.
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Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:42 pm to asurob1
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Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints unequivocally affirm themselves to be Christians.
Their theology is wholly separate from mainline Christianity and they can say whatever they want I suppose. You could say you are a super model, but it wouldn't make it so.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:43 pm to Revelator
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I'm not Jewish and am not obligated to abide by Jewish laws and regulations and never have been. It's irrelevant to me as a Christian whether Jews were free to have premarital sex or not. Jesus said that it's wrong to commit adultery or formication and that's what is pertinent to my faith.
you don't back peddle very well.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:44 pm to Revelator
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Their theology is wholly separate from mainline Christianity and they can say whatever they want I suppose. You could say you are a super model, but it wouldn't make it so.
sorta like you saying your religion has chosen the one true god and everyone else is wrong?
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:44 pm to Revelator
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I'm not Jewish and am not obligated to abide by Jewish laws and regulations and never have been. It's irrelevant to me as a Christian whether Jews were free to have premarital sex or not. Jesus said that it's wrong to commit adultery or formication and that's what is pertinent to my faith.
So Jesus, as a Jewish man would not have followed tradition and spoken about it in the context of Jewish tradition?
How can you understand his message if you don't understand the contex in which he was using it?
Fornication for Jewish people is random meaningless sex (lust). Sex that you care about that person - even if it is only for one night - is completely acceptable. Jesus would have known that difference and spoken about it. Why don't you?
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:46 pm to mahdragonz
quote:Perhaps you should return to temple for a clarification bupkes. Premarital sex is absolutely considered sinful by the rabbinic community.
Premarital sex wasn't (and isn't) condemned in Jewish tradition
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:46 pm to asurob1
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you don't back peddle very well.
I don't need to back peddle. Jews didn't allow dwarfs into the temple either, how does this affect me?
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:47 pm to mahdragonz
Fornication is sex without intimacy.
The lack of intimacy is the problem in the Jewish tradition. The sex is not the problem.
I don't understand why you are not clear on the difference....
The lack of intimacy is the problem in the Jewish tradition. The sex is not the problem.
I don't understand why you are not clear on the difference....
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:49 pm to NC_Tigah
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Perhaps you should return to temple for a clarification bupkes. Premarital sex is absolutely considered sinful by the rabbinic community.
Where?
What is the source of this false claim?
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:49 pm to mahdragonz
Holy crap, this thread is still alive...
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:50 pm to asurob1
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sorta like you saying your religion has chosen the one true god and everyone else is wrong?
I'm saying what I've already said. Mormons like many other cults deny the deity of Christ which is constant with cults. Then they also have books besides the bible that they draw from, ( extra revelation) and this is also common with cults. Anyone who has studied Mormonism knows that their beliefs cling to parts of the bible to make it appealing and quasi-Christian, but it isn't.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:52 pm to mahdragonz
quote:The Jewish Faith, maven.
What is the source of this false claim?
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:52 pm to Revelator
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I'm saying what I've already said. Mormons like many other cults deny the deity of Christ which is constant with cults. Then they also have books besides the bible that they draw from, ( extra revelation) and this is also common with cults. Anyone who has studied Mormonism knows that their beliefs cling to parts of the bible to make it appealing and quasi-Christian, but it isn't.
funny how you mention cult.
because of course Christianity is not one.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:54 pm to NC_Tigah
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While premarital sex is considered sinful by the rabbinic community, the rabbis also recognize the human desire for sexual interaction. Sexual intercourse between a man and a woman is to be reserved for their union upon marriage when they become one with God.
LINK
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:55 pm to asurob1
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because of course Christianity is not one.
Well you think we are but that is separate from the issue if Mormonism is part of Orthodox Christianity.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:56 pm to NC_Tigah
Oh, you mean the Torah that does not outlaw premarital sex? That part of the Jewish faith? So what part of the Jewish faith are you thinking about that outlaws it. You know. Besides the Torah.
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The Torah does not outlaw it--as it does many other types of sexual relationships--and the child of such a union is not considered a mamzer (illegitimate). Nonetheless, marital sex is considered ideal, and premarital sex is traditionally not approved of.
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The Torah does not outlaw it--as it does many other types of sexual relationships--and the child of such a union is not considered a mamzer (illegitimate). Nonetheless, marital sex is considered ideal, and premarital sex is traditionally not approved of.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:58 pm to Revelator
quote:Yeah, Rev. We disagree strongly on the Mormon thing. Mormons are most definitely Christian.
Well you think we are but that is separate from the issue if Mormonism is part of Orthodox Christianity.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 11:01 pm to NC_Tigah
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quote: While premarital sex is considered sinful by the rabbinic community, the rabbis also recognize the human desire for sexual interaction. Sexual intercourse between a man and a woman is to be reserved for their union upon marriage when they become one with God. LINK
FROM YOUR OWN LINK -
This custom was put into effect to mitigate the desire for premarital sex. The only limits placed on sexual activities in the Torah are prohibitions against adultery and incest.
---did you even read your own link? It says the only limits in the Torah are on adultery and incest.
So again. Where in the Jewish faith is premarital sex a sin?
This post was edited on 1/1/15 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 1/1/15 at 11:03 pm to NC_Tigah
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Yeah, Rev. We disagree strongly on the Mormon thing. Mormons are most definitely Christian.
so are catholics...but im sure rev thinks they are a tiny little cult.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 11:06 pm to NC_Tigah
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Yeah, Rev. We disagree strongly on the Mormon thing. Mormons are most definitely Christian.
Well NC, Christianity involves Jesus (God/man) coming down to earth, living a sinless life and then offering up that life as an atonement for man's sin. No man could accomplish this task.
To Mormons Jesus is simply a good man and prophet just as he is to the Muslims, Buddhist, etc.
to deny the deity of Christ and to go a step further and claim that one can also achieve God status oneself is not only not Christian, but blasphemous.
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