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Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:04 am to Flats
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Is thinking you could discuss anything honestly.
I gave you the opportunity to explain the logical association, multiple times.
You have not done so after multiple opportunities.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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This was specifically NOT predicted around gay marriage
I'm leaving it to you after this post because it's a waste of time.
I'm pretty sure you understand the truth of what I posted rather than your mischaracterization of it, but just in case I'm wrong...
No, no one predicted what has happened with kids and trans specifically, nor was I claiming that anyone did.
What we claimed is that IT WOULDN'T STOP THERE. Normalizing deviance wouldn't stop with gay marriage. And it absolutely hasn't.
I remember people predicting groups of people getting married to each other, incest being normalized, but no, I don't remember anyone predicting that we would normalize children mutilating their bodies.
You know why?
Because that was so far out it wasn't even on anyone's radar. It was BEYOND what anyone imagined would be the next step.
Everyone thought it would be about what we would normalize for "consenting adults" next. No one predicted the focus on children.
But that's what happened.
And the problem with your declarative statements is that you have no basis to make them. When you say, "Pedophilia will not be normalized, full stop," you have no basis for that hardline declaration.
Because Flats is right. When you say a child can consent to mutilating his or her body and permanently altering it with hormones, why can't that child consent to sex with an adult? What's the logic there? What exactly provides "full-stop" certainty about that?
Now that we know that the target has been the children since gay marriage came about, what makes you think that will change? Where's the full-stop certainty about that?
Like I pointed out, we're in the exact clinical stages with pedophilia that homosexuality was at at one time, same with gender dysphoria. What about having watched the trajectory of those deviations play out provides you with such "full-stop" certainty?
Finally, Flats may not have made a prediction, but I have, and I stand by it.
Maybe I will be wrong like we were after gay marriage and what will be next will be beyond anything I can imagine right now.
But that woman in the TED talk sure sounds like the people talking about homosexuality in the 40s or 50s and gender dysphoria in the 70s and 80s.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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But the behavior can never be accepted.
Just FWIW, these videos aren't accepting of anyone acting out and abusing children.
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If a person can't control themselves from harming children, they should be locked away from society so they can't harm children.
These people are trying to develop ways to help people with the affliction from doing this, but you see the reaction when they try to discuss it.
There is a huge difference in having the psychological disorder/pathology and acting out on it and abusing children. They're trying to create therapies to help people (many of whom only have the pathology due to being abused as a child) before they act out and abuse more children.
I understand. I watched a video about a female doctor that's been studying pesos for 20 years.
She claimed it's something wrong with the wiring in their brain. The part which doesn't sexually stimulate normal people when viewing a child doesn't work in a pedos brain. It does stimulate them.
The behavior is abhorrent and it's worth researching to better understand it. Same as we do with serial killers. Understanding the behavior isn't the same as condoning the behavior.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:11 am to wackatimesthree
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No, no one predicted what has happened with kids and trans specifically, nor was I claiming that anyone did.
Why do y'all keep bringing this up as some lynchpin, then?
This stuff has nothing to do with the issues around the psychological pathology known as pedophilia. Nothing.
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What we claimed is that IT WOULDN'T STOP THERE. Normalizing deviance wouldn't stop with gay marriage. And it absolutely hasn't.
I remember people predicting groups of people getting married to each other, incest being normalized, but no, I don't remember anyone predicting that we would normalize children mutilating their bodies.
You know why?
Because that was so far out it wasn't even on anyone's radar. It was BEYOND what anyone imagined would be the next step.
This is called the Texas Sharpshooter's Fallacy
You're retroactively retconned the arguments made at the time into absolute vagueness, allowing you to fill in the target with hindsight however you see fit.
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When you say, "Pedophilia will not be normalized, full stop," you have no basis for that hardline declaration.
Other than basic societal norms, sure. And yes it's a prediction, but I'm 100% confident in it.
Again, despite tihs being predicted as the #1 fear after gay marriage legalization, there has been NO movement towards this goal.
As you said, other issues emerged, but not this one.
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When you say a child can consent to mutilating his or her body and permanently altering it with hormones, why can't that child consent to sex with an adult?
Not that I agree with the trans surgery stuff for 12 year olds, but the 2 are not logically related in any way.
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Now that we know that the target has been the children since gay marriage came about,
I'll quote you to respond to this:
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And the problem with your declarative statements is that you have no basis to make them.
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What about having watched the trajectory of those deviations play out provides you with such "full-stop" certainty?
The fact that there has been literally no movement on the issue and you're using illogical substitutes to "prove" you were right in the past.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:14 am to lake chuck fan
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Understanding the behavior isn't the same as condoning the behavior.
Except in the "science" of psychology, politics historically has a way of infiltrating the "science" and blurring the line you just drew.
Psychologists used to study homosexuals "just to understand."
Psychologists used to study people with gender dysphoria "just to understand."
And the fact that the latter evolution of that "understanding" is obviously detrimental to children doesn't bother them in the least in 2024.
Why would this not end up in the same place?
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:14 am to lake chuck fan
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Understanding the behavior isn't the same as condoning the behavior.
Yet thats precisely how it will be treated.
If we've learned anything from the past, this should be it.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:16 am to wackatimesthree
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Except in the "science" of psychology, politics historically has a way of infiltrating the "science" and blurring the line you just drew.
Totally.
"Born that way" excuses all behavior. Thats how it will be viewed.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:17 am to Gusoline
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Which scholars? We need names.
Has this been answered anywhere in this thread?
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:24 am to wackatimesthree
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Why would this not end up in the same place?
I understand this is a self-serving response, but it's so obvious I have to say it.
It won't end up in the same place b/c we're talking about pedophilia, dude.
There are different levels of social/cultural mores and that's right under murder, probably. Murder, rape, and pedophilia are probably in that worst tier with a huge gap to the 2nd tier.
This is why, despite all the predictions, it hasn't become anymore accepted after the gay marriage ruling
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:25 am to St Augustine
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Has this been answered anywhere in this thread?
"Scholars" was a term used by the dishonest content creators who made the edited videos. They just used a chyron that looked like an official news source, to trick people.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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It won't end up in the same place b/c we're talking about pedophilia, dude.
Which theyre already trying to normalize (MAP)
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:26 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:You think they’re born wanting to frick kids and it’s not them being evil manipulative opportunists who have chosen to frick things that are easy to manipulate?
2. Test it on non-offending people suffering with the pathology
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:27 am to ReauxlTide222
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You think they’re born
Never said that
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:28 am to SlowFlowPro
What makes them victims?
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:29 am to ReauxlTide222
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and it’s not them being evil manipulative opportunists who have chosen to frick things that are easy to manipulate?
That was "Jared" of Subways reasoning. They're easy targets.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
To me, that seems a more logical reason than them having an uncontrollable attraction to children.
I’m struggling to figure out why anyone would call these people victims.
I’m struggling to figure out why anyone would call these people victims.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:34 am to wackatimesthree
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Why would this not end up in the same place?
I haven't heard anyone researching it or discussing the topic here say it's ok.
It's not ok. I believe the majority of Americans don't believe transitioning children is ok.
I don't believe Americans would ever accept molesting children is ok.
But, I get your point. Who's ever thought killing innocent unborn babies for convenance would be accepted.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:34 am to Placekicker
I’ll make something clear to everyone here.
If someone touches one of my children, I promise the lengths to which I will go when dealing with that pedophile will be so depraved it will be a case study for criminal justice programs for centuries to come.
If someone touches one of my children, I promise the lengths to which I will go when dealing with that pedophile will be so depraved it will be a case study for criminal justice programs for centuries to come.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:34 am to ReauxlTide222
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What makes them victims?
Being sexually abused as children.
ETA: This post explains it in much more detail
This post was edited on 11/16/24 at 9:36 am
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