re: Scarborough Is Mad As Hell And He's Not Going To Take It Anymore

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I understand what he's saying and a lot of it was right on.

I do think the hagiography around Zimmerman was way overdone. The same has been done a bit here in St. Louis with Darren Wilson.

I see those as knee-jerk responses to the media making innocent saints out of Trayvon and Michael Brown. Life is more complicated than a binary system. Trayvon wasn't simply stalked by Zimmerman and Zimmerman isn't an altruistic saint. Michael Brown was a common thief and I wouldn't want Officer Wilson to be my kid's School Resource Officer.

But for the media's sake, every thing is allegory and symbolism and no one event cannot be part of a "larger issue." Sometimes it is just what it is. A tragic set of circumstances involving two or more deeply flawed people in moments of extreme stress. No lessons to learn or morals to be drawn. But that's not how we sell advertising.

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I agree with all of this but will say with regard to Wilson, we need better cops or better trained cops.

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I agree with all of this but will say with regard to Wilson, we need better cops or better trained cops.

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Agree with that for sure. SFP posted right after this happened that we should focus on violence by law enforcement instead of race and he was right. It's all about the training IMO, but too easily sidetracked by racial division.

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No. It wasn't a shitshow. The prosecutor had the temerity to show the grand jury both the initial interviews of the witnesses as well as call them to the stand. It's not his fault they couldn't keep their stories straight.

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Its really possible it never would have gotten to a grand jury. I don't know enough to say, but the whole thing smelled fishy to me. Maybe it was political pressure to take it to the GJ, or maybe it was political pressure to make sure wilson was not charged. But the process was atypical.

First you have the document dump. They gave the grand jury EVERYTHING, that apparently is pretty rare. Throw in the fact that mccullough grilled other witnesses and not wilson says a lot about what they wanted to happen.

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the 12 year old getting shot in cleveland is a much better story.

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Why would that be a better story? The kid removed the orange ring on the "toy" that tells others it's a toy and not real. Point it at people and you will get shot. Clean shoot, move on.

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Rosa Parks was not the first person that the NAACP wanted to challenge the segregated buses. However, at least one other candidate (Claudette Colvin) was a 16YO that got pregnant out of wedlock. Parks, OTOH, was securely married and gainfully employed.

Yet if this was being handled today, the leaders of today would ignore Parks and parade Colvin instead.

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Jackie Robinson was chosen to be the first Black MLB player for the same reasons Parks was chosen. There were other Black players who were better than Robinson, but they lacked Robinson's sterling resume. More recently, before Oprah decided to champion the cause of Marcus Dixon, she allegedly hired private eyes to check out him and his family, lest she end up with egg all over her face if it was revealed that he wasn't the innocent victim of a racially motivated prosecutor his family claimed he was.

It prob did deviate from the norm, instead of just saying nope, the DA took it to the grand jury.

Also, to try to insure he didn't get blasted he presented a case step by step that prob shouldn't have been in front of the grand jury anyway. Hell, Wilson has a greater right to be mad at the DA than anyone IMO.

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Well, the other witnesses were shown to be lying between their first and GJ statements.

Should he have ignored their lies?

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No, the truth should be sought after. But why question those witnesses and not wilson? Wilson's testimony and the witnesess did not agree. Why not drill into that a bit?

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seriously, do you consider yourself objective?

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I am as objective as most of the people here. Probably more so, but we are human beings and depend mostly on the subjective.

I realize that I have a bias here - I think Police officers often lie, they have very little respect for the citizenry they are designated to protect and in general are on a power trip. Not all of them, but enough of them to make me question whether they are telling the truth. This is definitely the case here, I think Wilson's testimony is suspect. And the whole thing depends on his testimony.

The one thing I disagree with is his assumption that all conservatives latched onto Zimmerman in that case.

I agree that Zimmerman is a thug in his own right, and I did not latch onto Zimmerman. I latched onto the facts of the case, just I as latched onto the facts of the Ferguson shooting. If the facts dictated that Wilson be prosecuted, then so be it.

BTW, that Wes Moore guy is a clown. How in the hell can he say that he wished this case would have gone to trial in order for all the facts to come out?!? Hey moron, the facts did come out - to the grand jury. Those facts did not warrant an indictment in the grand jury's eyes, and the standard for just an indictment is much, much lower than for a conviction in a court of law.

Rant over.

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And the whole thing depends on his testimony.

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That's not what McCulloch said. And the physical evidence backs his story far more than it backed than narrative the media advanced for weeks.