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Saw my friend share this on facebook, and thought it was powerful (nazi vs communism)

Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:28 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:28 pm
My friend is Vietnamese and was a refugee.


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The West accepts an epochal, monstrous, unforgivable double standard. We rehearse the crimes of Nazism almost daily, we teach them to our children as ultimate historical and moral lessons, and we bear witness to every victim. We are, with so few exceptions, almost silent on the crimes of Communism. So the bodies lie among us, unnoticed, everywhere. We insisted upon "de-Nazification," and we excoriate those who tempered it in the name of new or emerging political realities. There never has been and never will be a similar "de-Communization," although the slaughter of innocents was exponentially greater, and although those who signed the orders and ran the camps remain. In the case of Nazism, we hunt down ninety-year-old men because "the bones cry out" for justice. In the case of Communism, we insisted on "no witch hunts"—let the dead bury the living. But the dead can bury no one.

Therefore the dead lie among us, ignored, and anyone with moral eyes sees them, by their absence from our moral consciousness, spilling naked out of the television and movie screens, frozen in pain in our classrooms, and sprawled, unburied, across our politics and our culture. They sit next to us at our conferences. There could not have been an "after Nazism" without the recognition, the accounting, the justice, and the remembrance. Until we deal with the Communist dead, there is no "after socialism."


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Our artists rightly obsess on the lesser but still immeasurable Holocaust, which lasted several years, and when we watch Night and Fog, Shoah, Schindler's List, and almost countless other films, we weep, we lament, and we rededicate the humane parts of our souls. The greater Communist holocaust, which lasted decade after decade—the great charnel house of human history—educes no such art. Its one tender, modest film, One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich, based on Solzhenitsyn's novel, is almost never replayed and cannot be found for purchase. The Communist holocaust should have brought forth a flowering of Western art, and witness, and sympathy. It should have called forth an overflowing ocean of tears. Instead, it has called forth a glacier of indifference. Kids who in the 1960s had portraits of Mao and Che on their college walls —the moral equivalent of having hung portraits of Hitler, Goebbels, or Horst Wessel in one's dorm—now teach our children about the moral superiority of their political generation. Every historical textbook lingers on the crimes of Nazism, seeks their root causes, and announces a lesson that should be learned. Everyone knows the number "six million." By contrast, it is always "the mistakes" of Communism or of Stalinism (repeated, by mistake, again, and again, and again). Ask college freshmen how many died under Stalin's regime, and they will answer, even now, "Thousands? Tens of thousands?"


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To be moral beings, we must acknowledge these awful things appropriately and bear witness to the responsibilities of these most murderous times. Until socialism—like Nazism or fascism confronted by the death camps and the slaughter of innocents—is confronted with its lived reality, the greatest atrocities of all recorded human life, we will not live "after socialism."


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No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."


Our record has human beings in morally condemning the abomination that was 20th century socialism is shameful. What justifies including the jewish holocaust but not the communist holocaust in public school curriculum?
This post was edited on 4/17/18 at 9:39 pm
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
62455 posts
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:30 pm to
Not me, I see the left for who they are....
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112682 posts
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:33 pm to
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jewish


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communism




Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95833 posts
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:38 pm to
Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot call the Germans pikers.
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64680 posts
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:42 pm to
someone might write so prolifically horrible the deeds of today's socialistic minded that would have us believe that the anti fascists are the do gooders of our country and defenders of our great democracy while the ideas they lay out are for cause for the ruination of our country.



Socialism is a disease.

This post was edited on 4/17/18 at 9:58 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69314 posts
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:44 pm to
I feel like Pol Pot doesn't get nearly the amount of attention he deserves.

The cambodian genocide killed upwards of 3.5 million people in the 70s.

The TOTAL population of cambodia at the time was 7 million.

Dude killed ALMOST HALF OF THE HIS COUNTRY.

It is the highest percentage of people killed in a country in world history.

Think about that for a minute..... For every one person that survived in cambodia from 75 to 79, one person died.

What percentage of Americans know who pol pot was?
This post was edited on 4/17/18 at 9:45 pm
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:48 pm to
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This post was edited on 4/17/18 at 9:55 pm
Posted by Remote Controlled
Member since Apr 2013
6859 posts
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:58 pm to
I think what he’s trying to say is that the modern Western Democracy must prevail, no matter what.

Whether you see the fascistic state or the communist state as the outlier threat to Western Democracy, it’s up to you to defeat it.

The idea and purview of Western Civilization has reigned supremacy over the better part of the Industrial Revolution and beyond.

The moment you or I stop fighting against the extremists in America, is the moment you or I can look back and say to ourselves, “I should have done more”.

You can call it want you want, but extremism is destroying America. It’s not Nazism or Communism, it’s extremism.

Posted by TexasTiger80
Texas
Member since Apr 2018
2396 posts
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:59 pm to
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Kids who in the 1960s had portraits of Mao and Che on their college walls —the moral equivalent of having hung portraits of Hitler, Goebbels, or Horst Wessel in one's dorm—now teach our children about the moral superiority of their political generation. Every historical textbook lingers on the crimes of Nazism, seeks their root causes, and announces a lesson that should be learned. Everyone knows the number "six million." By contrast, it is always "the mistakes" of Communism or of Stalinism (repeated, by mistake, again, and again, and again). Ask college freshmen how many died under Stalin's regime, and they will answer, even now, "Thousands? Tens of thousands?"


Strong and very true statement...except the 6 million number. That is a load of shite.
Posted by TexasTiger80
Texas
Member since Apr 2018
2396 posts
Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:02 pm to
quote:

I feel like Pol Pot doesn't get nearly the amount of attention he deserves.

The cambodian genocide killed upwards of 3.5 million people in the 70s.

The TOTAL population of cambodia at the time was 7 million.

Dude killed ALMOST HALF OF THE HIS COUNTRY.

It is the highest percentage of people killed in a country in world history.


What about the Bolsheviks Revolution? People talk about Hitler killing Jews. The Bolsheviks were Jews...and they killed 10 million Christian Russians. You don't see our history books talk about that!!!
This post was edited on 4/17/18 at 10:03 pm
Posted by Yak
DuPage County
Member since May 2014
4672 posts
Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:06 pm to
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You can call it want you want, but extremism is destroying America. It’s not Nazism or Communism, it’s extremism.
Very much agree.

I don't see it getting any better either with social media at the forefront
Posted by Remote Controlled
Member since Apr 2013
6859 posts
Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:20 pm to
I’m as left as it gets around here, and I’m middle of the road in reality.

I love to troll and such, but reality reigns supreme.

The extremism is stoking the flames, and I’m convinced that there are outside influences pouring gasoline on that fire.

It’s rampant here, and it’s obvious.

The fire is burning hot, it’s up to those of us who are not afraid of the flames to put it out and get America back on track.

I believe that when historians look back on today, they’ll say one of two things.

1. The extremism was contained, and democracy prevailed.

2. The extremism was NOT contained and Nazism/Communism prevailed.

The American Way has always been wrought with subterfuge. Outside forces are bringing the subterfuge to the forefront.

Know your enemy.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31507 posts
Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:24 pm to
Muh Che shirt
Posted by Remote Controlled
Member since Apr 2013
6859 posts
Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:27 pm to
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“And the Lord said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?" And he responded: "I do not know. Am I my brother's keeper?". Genesis 4:9


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“And he said to him: "What have you done? The voice of your brother's blood cries out to me from the land.”. Genesis 4:10


This post was edited on 4/17/18 at 10:29 pm
Posted by Yak
DuPage County
Member since May 2014
4672 posts
Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:36 pm to
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The extremism is stoking the flames, and I’m convinced that there are outside influences pouring gasoline on that fire.
I just hope that common sense prevails. It normally does. This current episode of who can "out conspiracy theory" each other will run it's course. It will take a while though.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38290 posts
Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:40 pm to
You need to listen to Bill Burr’s bit on Hitler vs Stalin. It’s hilarious because it’s the truth!

NSFW
Posted by TexasTiger80
Texas
Member since Apr 2018
2396 posts
Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:51 pm to
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I just hope that common sense prevails. It normally does. This current episode of who can "out conspiracy theory" each other will run it's course. It will take a while though.



The problem is, it isn't a conspiracy theory...the truth is out there.
Posted by TexasTiger80
Texas
Member since Apr 2018
2396 posts
Posted on 4/17/18 at 11:00 pm to
lol...this is the very first comment in the comment section

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SCLibertarian
3 months ago
Why don't Stalin's kills count? Because his victims don't control the media and the world financial system.?"
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45232 posts
Posted on 4/17/18 at 11:02 pm to
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jewish holocaust


Can you clarify if you are talking about the Holocaust AGAINST Jews, or the Holocaust being carried out by Jewish Communists?
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38290 posts
Posted on 4/17/18 at 11:05 pm to
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SCLibertarian
3 months ago
Why don't Stalin's kills count? Because his victims don't control the media and the world financial system.?"


It’s the truth!

Bill Burr wonders why Stalin can’t even get in the game!



He’s a backup to Hitler and has hit three times more homeruns than Hitler!
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