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re: Satanists seek spot next to Ten Commandments monument on steps of OK's Statehous
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:05 pm to CJM18
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:05 pm to CJM18
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What exactly is your viewpoint of the commandments? That it doesn't matter if Christians follow them or not? Surely that's not what you're saying?
Galatians 3:24-26
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
The 10 commandments are still important as a moral guide and we certainly should try to follow them, but they don't bring eternal life. They were established mostly to make man aware of his sins and so man could realize he couldn't achieve righteousness through the law.
Galatians 3:21
...if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 3:43 pm
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:07 pm to Revelator
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The 10 commandments is still important as a moral guide and we certainly should try to follow them
So people needed guidance that killing people is wrong, or you shouldn't lie?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:09 pm to MagicCityBlazer
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So people needed guidance that killing people is wrong, or you shouldn't lie?
Well that's only one commandment, and apparently so because people are still murdering others every day.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:12 pm to Revelator
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and apparently so because people are still murdering others every day.
So God makes imperfect creatures and they are the ones responsible?
Don't you see how God is the evil one here?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:39 pm to MagicCityBlazer
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So God makes imperfect creatures and they are the ones responsible? Don't you see how God is the evil one here?
God created two humans and they were both originally perfect. When they fell, sin entered into the world and murder was one of the consequences which we see displayed early on as Cain murdered his brother Abel.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:55 pm to Revelator
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od created two humans and they were both originally perfect. When they fell
FULL STOP.
How are they perfect if they fell?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:55 pm to CJM18
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haven't read the whole thread, but has the rendition of the monument been posted yet? looks totally harmless to me.
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Joking, right?
not at all.
i mean, think about it. he's a snappy dresser, he's a recurring character in the hebrew bible, christian bible, and quran, and he is obviously good with kids, as the statue proves.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:39 pm to MagicCityBlazer
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How are they perfect if they fell?
They were innocent and sinless with a free will. They decided to go against God's command to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and thus fell from their innocent status. Perfect, was a poor choice of words.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 8:42 pm to PuntBamaPunt
This is an excerpt from the CNN article on the topic:
So if a Satanic statue will not be accepted because it "has no historical significance for the state of Oklahoma", then why is the ten commandments statue there? Only 3 of the 10 commandments are codified in state or federal law. And if I'm not mistaken, the "sooner state" is so named because of a group of people who lied and stole land. So not only do the commandments as whole not form the basis of Oklahoma law, but Oklahomans historically don't give a shite about the ones that are.
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Oklahoma state Rep. Paul Wesselhoft, told CNN that he doesn't think the satanists' statue will be approved.
“What will disqualify them has really nothing to do with Satan as such; it's that it has no historical significance for the state of Oklahoma,” Wesselhoft said.
So if a Satanic statue will not be accepted because it "has no historical significance for the state of Oklahoma", then why is the ten commandments statue there? Only 3 of the 10 commandments are codified in state or federal law. And if I'm not mistaken, the "sooner state" is so named because of a group of people who lied and stole land. So not only do the commandments as whole not form the basis of Oklahoma law, but Oklahomans historically don't give a shite about the ones that are.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:04 pm to TideCPA
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So if a Satanic statue will not be accepted because it "has no historical significance for the state of Oklahoma", then why is the ten commandments statue there? Only 3 of the 10 commandments are codified in state or federal law. And if I'm not mistaken, the "sooner state" is so named because of a group of people who lied and stole land. So not only do the commandments as whole not form the basis of Oklahoma law, but Oklahomans historically don't give a shite about the ones that are.
Christianity, the ten commandment, organized religion all played a part in the founding of this country. Satanism has no such historical claim. The right to place this statue is simply a certain groups attempt at a," F.U. towards all believers.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:17 pm to Revelator
[quote]They were innocent and sinless with a free willquote]
so they weren't perfect?
please stop contradicting yourself.
so they weren't perfect?
please stop contradicting yourself.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:19 pm to MagicCityBlazer
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[quote]They were innocent and sinless with a free willquote] so they weren't perfect? please stop contradicting yourself.
If you want to play gotcha games, go somewhere else. If you want to talk like an adult, I'll chat.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:23 pm to MagicCityBlazer
Actually they were created perfect, but given free will. They were warned that their perfection would cease to exist if they disobeyed God's command.
Satan came and manipulated Eve and she ate from the tree.
Satan came and manipulated Eve and she ate from the tree.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:26 pm to Revelator
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ten commandment...played a part in the founding of this country
As far as laws in the U.S. are concerned, the ten commandments have a worse batting average than Dan Uggla. Do you really think they were placed in this particular location because of their "historical significance"?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:27 pm to Revelator
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If you want to talk like an adult, I'll chat.
I asked you a simple question and that is a "gotcha"?
wow, I just asked for how you can reconcile a God
making imperfect people and punishing them even
if God knew before they existed they would go to hell.
In a real sense God is the caretaker of hell, not the devil.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:27 pm to Revelator
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Apparently the bible is absurd to you?
well the argument could be made that:
2 men dying and coming back to life
talking snakes
rivers of blood
walking on water
water to wine
staff to snakes
the red sea splitting and being dry while people walked across it
mystical healing
And that's not even really going into the whole revelations thing.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:28 pm to deltaland
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Actually they were created perfect, but given free will. They were warned that their perfection would cease to exist if they disobeyed God's command.
Satan came and manipulated Eve and she ate from the tree.
Was this before or after Frodo threw the ring into Mt. Doom?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:31 pm to Revelator
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Christianity, the ten commandment, organized religion all played a part in the founding of this country.
Right but this is about Oklahoma history not the united states history
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The right to place this statue is simply a certain groups attempt at a," F.U. towards all believers.
I agree with this what I'm hoping they settle for is to remove the commandments and call it good.
On one hand knowing how oklahoma politics can be I know this isn't about the ten commandments being a fundamental part of oklahoma history. On the other it's some people from new york stirring shite up for media attention which is annoying as most in oklahoma are crazy religious, it probably doesn't affect any of these particular assholes in any way.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:36 pm to TideCPA
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As far as laws in the U.S. are concerned, the ten commandments have a worse batting average than Dan Uggla. Do you really think they were placed in this particular location because of their "historical significance"?
Well Moses is depicted with the Ten Commandments on the Supreme Court building in Washington, so surely our ancestors agreed that the law of God had significance in our history.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:38 pm to MagicCityBlazer
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In a real sense God is the caretaker of hell, not the devil.
Of course God is the caretaker of everything including hell. The bible says he created it for the devil and his angels.
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