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re: Satanists seek spot next to Ten Commandments monument on steps of OK's Statehous
Posted on 1/7/14 at 3:35 pm to TK421
Posted on 1/7/14 at 3:35 pm to TK421
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However, as I have pointed out, there is no Greek word that accurately translates to eternal whether talking about life or death.
Hmm, I would like proof of this. I find it hard to believe that a language did not have a word for "eternal" I mean, think about how many we have, eternal, forever, always, perpetually, etc etc.
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 3:36 pm to Powerman
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So would that mean that heaven also isn't necessarily eternal?
Good question.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 3:38 pm to sabes que
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However, as I have pointed out, there is no Greek word that accurately translates to eternal whether talking about life or death.
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Hmm, I would like proof of this. I find it hard to believe that a language did not have a word for "eternal" I mean, think about how many we have, eternal, forever, always, perpetually, etc etc.
Yep. Sure makes for some less than ideal "young love" scrawling on school desks:
Socrates
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Athena
4-...quite a while!
Not ideal, no?
Posted on 1/7/14 at 3:39 pm to BBONDS25
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I copy and pasted it. I was just pointing out your failure to address the statement....which you still fail to address. The "pathetic" assertion seems to be a valid one.
What do you want me to address again? I enjoy participating in these types of discussions simply because I find them enjoyable. I do not get near as emotionally involved as many of you. Because I am not a Theist, therefore, the questioning of a particular god or faith does not strike a nerve with me. I just find it to be interesting discussion.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 3:40 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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Yep. Sure makes for some less than ideal "young love" scrawling on school desks:
Socrates
+
Athena
4-...quite a while!
Posted on 1/7/14 at 3:41 pm to Powerman
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So would that mean that heaven also isn't necessarily eternal?
It would, which brings up all kinds of interesting questions without great answers.
There are, as it stand today, three differing Christian perspectives concerning the afterlife: Calvinism, Armenian doctrine, and Universalism. I follow the latter, but there is in actuality equal Biblical backing for each. A non-believer such as yourself might use this information to simply say "then it's all bullshite," which is an attitude I can sympathize with.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 3:41 pm to sabes que
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I do not get near as emotionally involved as many of you. Because I am not a Theist, therefore, the questioning of a particular god or faith does not strike a nerve with me. I just find it to be interesting discussion.
I have not seen anyone getting emotional. However, you aren't participating in a discussion. You are searching for a "gotcha"...you need to "win". That is your emotion coming through. Arguments like tacit approval and whether one person on here believes hell is eternal are your attempts to "win"....like the other poster said...pretty pathetic.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 3:42 pm to sabes que
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One of the great, if not the greatest problems with organized religion. Who is to say who the "true" followers are? Is the Jihadist the true Muslim? Or the peaceful guy that works at the circle K? Is is the "true" believer the Christian or the Muslim? If it is the Christian, is it the catholic or the protestant? If it is the protestant, is it the baptist or the anglicans? I mean goodness gracious here, we could play this game all day.
It is the Christian. And the catholic Protestant baptist and Anglican all believe the same foundational truth: Salvation thru Jesus Christ.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 3:43 pm to sabes que
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One of the great, if not the greatest problems with organized religion. Who is to say who the "true" followers are? Is the Jihadist the true Muslim? Or the peaceful guy that works at the circle K? Is is the "true" believer the Christian or the Muslim? If it is the Christian, is it the catholic or the protestant? If it is the protestant, is it the baptist or the anglicans? I mean goodness gracious here, we could play this game all day
Exactly.
"Oh, well he's not a real Christian..."
My response to that is usually along the lines of "who the hell are you to determine who is and isn't a 'real' Christian?"
Posted on 1/7/14 at 3:45 pm to BBONDS25
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You are searching for a "gotcha".
Oh is that what I am searching for? Golly gee thanks for reminding me. Sometimes I forget.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 3:49 pm to DCRebel
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My response to that is usually along the lines of "who the hell are you to determine who is and isn't a 'real' Christian?"
And that is a perfectly logical and rational response.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 4:01 pm to sabes que
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Oh is that what I am searching for?
It's pretty obvious. You don't seem to posses very impressive debate skills....so it is what you are probably most comfortable with. More power to you....whatever makes you happy.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 4:04 pm to BBONDS25
You and TK421 both speak constantly of "debating" and "winning the argument" it seems like if you guys were so concerned with being "great debaters" you would know that using personal attacks would not get you anywhere in a real debate.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 4:09 pm to sabes que
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You and TK421 both speak constantly of "debating" and "winning the argument" it seems like if you guys were so concerned with being "great debaters" you would know that using personal attacks would not get you anywhere in a real debate.
I never claimed to be a great debater. Just pointing out your lack of relevant, reasonable, and coherent arguments. You confuse this with a personal attack. Both in debate and in court it is quite common to point out irrelevance, lack of reasonableness, and absurdities...so I'm not sure what you mean by saying that would not get you anywhere in a real debate.....
Posted on 1/7/14 at 4:09 pm to BBONDS25
Also, you want to have discussion, OK well let's discuss this, You say that you believe in hell.
So my question is why would an omnipotent, omnipresent, all loving God create a universe in which he knowingly was going to send the vast majority of people to hell for not believing in the right thing.? even though he loves said people an inordinate amount?
So my question is why would an omnipotent, omnipresent, all loving God create a universe in which he knowingly was going to send the vast majority of people to hell for not believing in the right thing.? even though he loves said people an inordinate amount?
Posted on 1/7/14 at 4:13 pm to sabes que
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So my question is why would an omnipotent, omnipresent, all loving God create a universe in which he knowingly was going to send the vast majority of people to hell for not believing in the right thing.?
Nope...not looking for a "gotcha" at all. There is a TON of literature on this exact fallacy. If you were really interested in learning you would read some of it. But alas....as is painfully obvious, you aren't. Posted on 1/7/14 at 4:15 pm to BBONDS25
Not necessarily a "gotcha" just a satisfactory answer. Can you provide me with one or not?
Posted on 1/7/14 at 4:24 pm to BBONDS25
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There is a TON of literature on this exact fallacy
Responses such as this are lazy at best, cowardly at worst. You have gone on and on about how pathetic I am, etc etc, So why is it so hard for YOU to answer me this simple question?
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 1/7/14 at 4:26 pm to sabes que
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Responses such as this are lazy at best, cowardly at worst
Why? You ask a lazy question based upon a fallacy that you have created. Why would I waste time educating you on something you can google and learn for yourself in 5 minutes? You don't get to frame the rules of the "debate"....especially when it is clear you aren't interested in debate. At least not intelligent debate. If you were, you would actually research the topic you are "debating".
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You have gone on and on about how pathetic I am, etc etc, So why is it so hard for YOU to answer me this simple question
I have called your motives pathetic maybe twice. What I have gone on and on about are your "arguments" and their lack of substance. That is standard in debate, court, and any other situation where you have organized adversarial conversation. I'm sorry that offends you....
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 1/7/14 at 4:29 pm to BBONDS25
Is your answer that God cannot be in the presence of sin? I am genuinely curious here. I think that it is a legitimate question. If it scares you, that is your problem. But, I think questioning why an all-loving and all-powerful god would send anyone to hell is a legit question. Sorry if you disagree.
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