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re: Sandy Hook Commission Draft: Homeschoolers are evil

Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:25 pm to
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:25 pm to
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Does that sound rational whatsoever?

It sounds like I DGAF that you are "concerned" about how I raise MY child. Does that sound even slightly ambiguous to you?
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:26 pm to
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That isn't what they are saying at all, Tuba. Homeschool children are receiving an education already. They just want to bring them under government control/observation, something that I don't support.


The problem with this proposal is that there are already procedure in place (I.e., an Individualized Education Plan) that parents and he school agree to the plans and there are legal procedures in the case of a disagreement. This proposal seems to minimize the parents decision-making power.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:29 pm to
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It sounds like I DGAF that you are "concerned" about how I raise MY child. Does that sound even slightly ambiguous to you?


Why do you keep equating me having concerns with aspects of home-schooling with me having concerns about how you raise your child? Stop twisting my words.

Besides if you don't care, then why respond to me in the first place?
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:30 pm to
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I support homeschooling kids. When there are larger home school organizations and the parents are doing this for the benefit of their child (better education, safety, etc.) I have no problem with it at all. There's plenty of collaboration and socialization. It's better than even some of the best public schools.


Great post.
Posted by rattlebucket
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:31 pm to
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I guess as long as you never let him leave the house it doesn't matter to the rest of us.


Know how I know you aren't tolerant of other peoples freedom of choice?
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:31 pm to
I bet on a per capita basis, homeschoolers are nearly 10x less likely to commit a crime than public school teens. Mentally disabled or not.
Posted by rattlebucket
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:33 pm to
Were homeschoolers why a classroom intruder lockset was invented?
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:35 pm to
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I bet on a per capita basis, homeschoolers are nearly 10x less likely to commit a crime than public school teens. Mentally disabled or not.


Probably mostly related to non-educational factors.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:37 pm to
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Were homeschoolers why a classroom intruder lockset was invented?


Good point. Sandy Hook has very little to go with Landa's schooling.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:39 pm to
Nothing to do with homeschooling.

Everything to do with the kid being a fricking psycho.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:40 pm to
It's really not the government's place to monitor home schooling.

I really don't see how home schooling contributed to the craziness of the shooter either.
This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 1:43 pm
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:40 pm to
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Nothing to do with homeschooling. Everything to do with the kid being a fricking psycho.


Agreed.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
16657 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:41 pm to
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Besides if you don't care, then why respond to me in the first place?

Maybe I just like giving the middle finger to people who think they know what is best for others and that they should be given the power to enforce it. Couch it as "concern" all you want but it is really nothing but control.
Posted by extremetigerfanatic
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:43 pm to
Buckeye, what are your concerns with homeschooling?
And why should anyone who home schools care what you think about the child's education.
And why do you think you should have a say in that child's education?
This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 1:44 pm
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35373 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:48 pm to
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Maybe I just like giving the middle finger to people who think they know what is best for others and that they should be given the power to enforce it. Couch it as "concern" all you want but it is really nothing but control.


Wow. I didn't advocate for any of that and think the government is the one of the most inefficient systems that we have. I just said "concern." You need to stop extrapolating and making incorrect assumptions.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:49 pm to
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A former classmate in his 10th grade honors English class, Olivia DeVivo, says he "was always very nervous and socially awkward." She told ABC News that "he didn't really want to be spoken to" and that when teachers would call on him "it appeared physically difficult for him to speak." Lanza avoided public attention and had few, if any, friends, though he was a member of the high-school tech club. He liked to sit near the door of the classroom to make a quick exit. He even managed to avoid having his picture in his seventh-grade yearbook. He was one of seven students listed as "Camera Shy." And unlike most in his age group, he seems to have left little imprint on the internet – no Facebook page, no Twitter account.


So he was in school in 7th grade and 10th grade at least. This homeschool connection seems tenuous at best.

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Posted by extremetigerfanatic
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:50 pm to
You didn't just say concern. You said legitimate concern.
What do you think that means or implies?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:56 pm to
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I support homeschooling kids. When there are larger home school organizations and the parents are doing this for the benefit of their child (better education, safety, etc.) I have no problem with it at all. There's plenty of collaboration and socialization. It's better than even some of the best public schools.

Socialization isn't done well by public schools. And I think it's far overblown as an important part of education in general.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35373 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 1:59 pm to
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uckeye, what are your concerns with homeschooling? And why should anyone who home schools care what you think about the child's education. And why do you think you should have a say in that child's education?


You shouldn't care what I think. I just stated that I thought it. But here are some concerns.

1. Socialization opportunities with peers. School is a great time to learn to interact with others. Now if parents have their kids in other activities that give ample opportunity to socialize (e.g., sports, youth groups)then this isn't much of a concerns, but I think that interacting with peers is important.

2. Instruction. Teaching is hard, and this isn't exclusive to home-schooling; however, lack of training can be problematic. I think the likelihood of getting poor instruction is greater in a home-schooling environment with no training requirements. That being said, there are surely some parents who prove great instruction, even better than many teachers.

3. Curriculum. From what I understand, there are some excellent curriculums and some that are just flat out bad. Making sure parents know the differences between the good and bad is important. Unfortunately, it's easily to be persuaded. I just want them to have objective information.


Again these concerns are not exclusive to home-schooling. Nonetheless, I still think we need to try to work out the kinks in everything that we do.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35373 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 2:02 pm to
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You didn't just say concern. You said legitimate concern. What do you think that means or implies?


That my concerns are legitimate? Maybe they aren't. I'm not trying to bash home-schooling. I used legitimate in a response to KCT's quasi-conspiracy insinuation.

This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 2:14 pm
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