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Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:28 pm to CitizenK
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Air superiority means being able to fly anywhere over the battle space.
No.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:29 pm to boosiebadazz
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not as quickly as Russian leadership can
It's interesting that you find this funny, while so many people are getting killed.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:32 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
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just cant resist going full moron, huh? $100B ring a bell?
At the rate we are going, we could just start sending them the pallets of cash to use as bunkers.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:32 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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Yeah, I don’t agree. People tend to react in a negative way when their home is threatened even if they don’t care much for it. It is still their home.
I think you missed the point. Once you get far enough east, Russia becomes extraordinarily sparse and ... un-Russian.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:32 pm to POTUS2024
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It's interesting that you find this funny, while so many people are getting killed.
It's interesting that you can't seem to blame the Russians squarely for their own paranoia. If people want the war to end, it's weird the thought that Russia could retreat to pre-2014 borders never seems to cross their minds. It is always on the West to concede positions, and never Russia to concede, despite obvious failures. In geopolitical terms, the Russians have made their security situation far worse, and will have a much longer border with a NATO power than they would have had if they didn't escalate the war in Ukraine.
This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:33 pm to POTUS2024
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It's interesting that you find this funny, while so many people are getting killed.
Yeah that's the thing about invading a country ...
Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:33 pm to sta4ever
quote:to be expected from the ChromeDome RiffRaff
Russia’s Gay
Here’s a good song for all you Putin lovers to listen to.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:34 pm to POTUS2024
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It's interesting that you find this funny, while so many people are getting killed.
I'll give you a quiz. Fill in the blank. ___________ invaded Ukraine in 2022 leading to deaths of 10's of thousands of Ukrainian citizens.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:34 pm to jonnyanony
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Let's be honest: this turned into a way more difficult endeavor than Russia anticipated. The narrative that Russia is "handling" this is the most fantastical part of this thread.
Russia is indeed 'handling' this - not as well as expected, but they are in control of that theater. Denying that fact is the most fantastical part of the entire discussion at this site.
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"Stop fighting and things will be better" is not a particularly good suggestion at this point.
I'm suggesting we stop sending them aid. Then fighting is no longer an option for Ukraine. Then the war ends.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:34 pm to Tarps99
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$100B ring a bell?
At the rate we are going, we could just start sending them the pallets of cash to use as bunkers.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:36 pm to crazy4lsu
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They've beaten the Ukrainians soundly.
No
This is pure delusion.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:36 pm to POTUS2024
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I'm suggesting we stop sending them aid. Then fighting is no longer an option for Ukraine. Then the war ends.
I'm also for ceasing aid. I don't think it would go as you'd want it to, though. I think the reality is that Russia is not the military power they want to present themselves.
We should not forget they were aggressors here.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:39 pm to notiger1997
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LOL
Oh look, Clausewitz dropped by to deliver another nugget of nothingness.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:40 pm to POTUS2024
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Russia is indeed 'handling' this - not as well as expected, but they are in control of that theater. Denying that fact is the most fantastical part of the entire discussion at this site.
They've lost a significant proportion of their initial gains, and Putin had to scramble a mobilization when he promised initially that he would not. Even if the US withdraws aid, Russia would have a COIN operation on their hands, the scale of which is beyond the Russian capabilities.
This is such a massive geopolitical loss, and everyone in the area realizes it is a loss. 'Control' in a theater means nothing without the larger geopolitical context.
This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:41 pm to SoonerK
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HIMARS protects strategic locations? What exactly do you think HIMARS does?
I think he's referring to Patriot.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:45 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
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to be expected from the ChromeDome RiffRaff
That I'm so far up in your head that you bring me up unsolicited, warms my heart with joy.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:45 pm to POTUS2024
So those missiles are striking ammo storage sites, troop housing, naval vessels, airfields, and and fuel depots of the Russians isn’t affecting their operations?
Is that what you are insinuating? Or is that all fake news?
Is that what you are insinuating? Or is that all fake news?
Posted on 1/5/23 at 7:58 pm to SoonerK
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Are you trolling or just completely ignorant?
It's not a game changer over there. It has not thwarted Russia's ability to maneuver, or their planning, or preparation of the battlefield, or even made a dent in the indirect fire deficit the Ukrainians face every day. It's a good system, especially in a robust combined arms approach that we employ in the US. It doesn't change the tide of battle on its own.
Again, I have to ask - how is any of this controversial to anyone? It's not THE package, it's part of the package.
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I am pretty sure the Ukrainians would stop suffering if Russia got the hell out of their country.
I get your point, but Russians are past that now. They see this as existential. We can keep complaining about that or we can address what will actually bring this to an end. Either you want it to stop or you don't.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 8:17 pm to POTUS2024
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I get your point
Do you? From your earlier equivocation, apparently 'people are dying' from the inaction on the part of people who might support the US giving aid, but the actual people doing the killing get a pass. Nice.
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They see this as existential.
Their elite see it as such, but that doesn't create an obligation on our part. The world has moved on from the idea that someone is going to invade from the European Plain, which is the historical reason why Imperial Russia and its successive polities wanted the land from the Carpathians to the Baltic Sea. In fact, the best protection from invasion is to integrate with Europe economically.
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We can keep complaining about that or we can address what will actually bring this to an end.
It's not either/or. You can do both. In this case, one option, Russia leaving, brings everything to an end. The other, Russia trying to annex Ukraine, promises to prolong the conflict long enough that the fallout will extend generations. Think the reality through.
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Either you want it to stop or you don't.
If stopping the war involves major concessions to Russia, I'm cool with this continuing. You can pin whatever casualties you want on me, all the casualties for which you won't blame the Russians.
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