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re: Rush is explaining his off record conversation he had with a pollster right now.

Posted on 9/28/20 at 4:27 pm to
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 4:27 pm to
This is all bullshite. The polls are the way they are to sell airtime.

"Incumbent President leading to lackluster challenger" sells no airtime, not newspapers.

"Scrappy underdog challenger leading controversial incumbent" sells a LOT more.
Posted by relapse98
Member since Dec 2010
2736 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 4:32 pm to
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- Trump won Ohio in '16 by 9.5
- Obama won Ohio in '12 by 1.5
If you believe Biden has swung Ohio by 14.5 points in four years then I have a bridge to sell you!


A 11 vote swing in 4 years was reality, but a 14.5 swing is just completely out of the question?
Posted by JPinLondon
not in London (currently NW Ohio)
Member since Nov 2006
7855 posts
Posted on 9/29/20 at 5:48 am to
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A 11 vote swing in 4 years was reality, but a 14.5 swing is just completely out of the question?

YES. Completely so. At least for an incumbent with a 45% to 52% approval rate nationally. You are, in a way, comparing apples to oranges, in your analysis.
- Obama won Ohio in '12 by ~1.5%
- Trump won by 9.0% or 9.5%

That massive swing was due to Trump's appeal in the Rust Belt, more than anything else, including Hillary-hatred. But to think an incumbent with ~50% approval would swing by 14.5% to the negative is probably all but unheard of.

I'd even guess you couldn't find a state that swung against Jimmy Carter between '76 to '80 by over 13% (but I am not guaranteeing that one).

I'm sure Herbert Hoover would have fit that in 1932, but his approval numbers, whether they were polled or not in the Great Depression, were probably VERY low.
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 5:50 am
Posted by DeltaTigerDelta
Member since Jan 2017
11278 posts
Posted on 9/29/20 at 6:11 am to
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They're gonna get roasted worse than they did after 2016.


Assuming it is a free and fair election.
Posted by CredulousChowder
Boone, NC
Member since Sep 2020
161 posts
Posted on 9/29/20 at 6:44 am to
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purposely seeking out Registered Republicans in the suburbs who hate Trump


How do they identify the ones who hate Trump?
Posted by Load Toad
Haughton, LA
Member since Aug 2008
1924 posts
Posted on 9/29/20 at 7:04 am to
Dems are crushing vote by mail. I don't thing Republicans can over take those leads. Democrats might win all 3 chambers.
Posted by Norbert
Member since Oct 2018
3137 posts
Posted on 9/29/20 at 7:15 am to
I don't get the strategy, though, because trailing in the polls would seemingly motivate people who support that trailing candidate to make sure to vote.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 9/29/20 at 7:23 am to
Thank you for your concern.
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