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Ron Paul: End the shutdown

Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:31 pm
Posted by FlexDawg
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:31 pm
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The shutdown of the American economy by government decree should end. The lasting and far-reaching harms caused by this authoritarian precedent far outweigh those caused by the COVID-19 virus. The American people—individuals, families, businesses—must decide for themselves how and when to reopen society and return to their daily lives.

Neither the Trump administration nor Congress has the legal authority to shut down American life absent at least baseline due process. As Judge Andrew Napolitano recently wrote, business closures, restrictions on assembly and movement, and quarantines are not constitutionally permissible under some magic “emergency” doctrine. At a minimum, the federal government must show potential imminent harm by specific infected individuals at some form of hearing or trial.

These due process requirements are not suspended.

State and local officials may claim, or even possess, lawful police powers to shut down their communities. We offer no analysis of such powers or claims under the myriad of state constitutions and authorizing legislation. But they should resist exercising these powers. The governor of Virginia, in particular, deserves admonition for unilaterally imposing a lengthy period of virtual house arrest.

We do not know, and cannot yet know, how many Americans will become sick or die from the virus. We do know that predictions regarding infection and death rates are highly unreliable. Even actual deaths attributable to COVID-19 are not so easy to count, as Italy has discovered. Age, general health, and comorbidity are difficult variables to assess, and people may die “with” the virus but not “from” it. It is also very difficult to assess the lethality of the virus relative to previously known types of flu and colds.

To date, COVID-19 deaths in the US are far fewer than deaths in ordinary flu seasons or from past pandemics such as the H1N1 virus. This understanding is critically important to put the virus, and the government response to it, in perspective. Even during past pandemics, depressions, and world wars, Americans went to work.

In 1850, French economist Frédéric Bastiat helped the world understand the “seen and unseen costs” of state policies. It is simple to see how quarantines and lockdowns will slow the spread of COVID-19. It is critical, but not so simple, to see the costs and harms caused by the economic shutdown.

Only then can we rationally understand the tradeoffs involved.

How many Americans suffering from other illnesses cannot see a doctor now? How many Americans will lose their jobs, their life savings, their retirement prospects, and their incalculable feeling of self-worth? How many will succumb to depression, drug or alcohol abuse, and suicide? How many will lose their homes, divorce their spouses, or suffer abuse? How many will never recover in their careers? How many small businesses, including the vital ones of doctors, dentists, and veterinarians, will vanish from your community? How many young people will “fail to launch”?

Worse still, will grocery stores and gas stations remain open and stocked? Will crime spike? Will the American social fabric, already thin from politics, tear apart?

These questions are not rhetorical. All of these things happened, to a degree, following the Great Recession of 2008. They will happen again—very soon—if we fail to act immediately. Tomorrow, on April 1, millions of Americans will not pay rent or mortgages. Millions of small businesses will shutter, just as many large employers such as Macy’s, Kohl’s, airlines, and hotels already have. Millions of service workers are unemployed already, but many more jobs will be lost. The effects will cascade.

There is no conflict between humanitarian and economic concerns; in fact they are flipsides of the same coin. A poorer America will be a much less healthy America, one more vulnerable to future illness and disease. Technology, modern medicine, and market actors can address a virus; already we see entrepreneurs producing cheaper ventilators and doctors using cheap generic drugs with very promising results.

This local, bottom-up approach is the only effective way to confront the virus. The federal government, as we see now and have in the past, is comically incapable of competence in times of crisis.

On a fundamental level, freedom really is more important than security—or, in this case, an illusion of security. We all demonstrate this in our personal lives every day, from flying to driving to riding bicycles, to consuming unhealthy food and drink simply because we like it. Security has never been the sole or even primary goal for a country born in rebellion.

Government cannot decide what aspects of our lives are essential or nonessential. The American people cannot simply sit at home and wait for government checks written on funds that government does not have.

End the shutdown.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:35 pm to
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This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 12:00 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69294 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:36 pm to
Ron Paul has become a kook since leaving office
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
19809 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:37 pm to
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Neither the Trump administration nor Congress has the legal authority to shut down American life


I'll wait for Ron to point out what aspects of American life Trump has officially shut down. The shutdowns are coming from State and Local officials.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 10:38 pm
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38271 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:37 pm to
Trump can order it tomorrow and every liberal on this site will be 100% ALL FOR State’s rights.
Posted by FlexDawg
Member since Jan 2018
12812 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:39 pm to
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I'll wait for Ron to point what aspects of American life Trump has officially shut down. The shutdowns are coming from State and Local officials.



I agree. He seems to indicate that most state and local officials may have the right depending on their individual constitutions....but that they shouldn’t give stay at home orders.

I wish he would have made it more obvious that Trump has only given guidelines. Nevertheless I don’t like the orders from any form of government.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 10:42 pm
Posted by Big_Slim
Mogadishu
Member since Apr 2016
3977 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:26 pm to
Dont think this is something that has to be processed through a MAGA or OMB filter. That response to me speaks more to what we’re allowing as citizens without even a second thought as to the legality of it all and also reinforces the fact that bottom up, free market driven responses will always be more effective than any top down action the government can conjure up.

Read the words dummies, there’s some good stuff in there.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 11:32 pm
Posted by Apache
San Diego
Member since Dec 2013
2477 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:33 pm to
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The shutdown of the American economy by government decree should end.

The economy hasn’t been shut down.
Posted by Alty66
Jacktown, MS
Member since Aug 2017
1131 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 1:18 am to
My current employment status says otherwise.
Posted by Eightballjacket
Member since Jan 2016
7314 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 3:07 am to
Well, it seems to me that it's the states and local governments shutting things down.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 4:21 am to
No surprise you are the sort of idiotic sheep that goes along with this lunacy

You will be cheering when this stupidity is done with "climate change" as the excuse in a few years
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
3673 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:56 am to
Why does beyond one of these arguments make this out to be an American thing? As if the entire world isn’t on lockdown right now? China just went into their second lockdown. This thing is serious and it seems the only way you guys would believe it if millions of millions of ppl die—-which is the exact thing we are trying to avoid. I’m so glad nothing like this happens under Obama or any other Dem cause good lord If you guys are framing out with Repubs in office I can’t even imagine how bad you would be if it were a Dem.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
36023 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 6:13 am to
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Ron Paul has become a kook since leaving office

Yeah, being vigilant about the government taking your individual freedom and liberty is really kooky.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
57941 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 6:16 am to
quote:

Why arent you in the street pay8triot?


Why aren’t you out of your mom’s basement yet!
Posted by Jrv2damac
Kanorado
Member since Mar 2004
65101 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 7:00 am to
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Ron Paul has become a kook since leaving office


Stfu, Mr. “Louisiana has a climate identical to Cuba.”

Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 7:38 am to
What has fedgov shutdown?

In this article, Ron Paul says the federal government does not have authority to shut anything down. He goes on to say local state governments may have that authority and this article isn’t commentary on those.

Aren’t the vast majority of lockdowns being done at the state level?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111519 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 7:49 am to
Yeah. That’s the obvious criticism. The states are obviously taking some cues from Trump’s recommendations. But a lot of them are just making shite up as they go.

None of knows anything. But the dangerous ones are the ones who think they know.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 7:51 am to
I don’t necessarily disagree with his premise but his entire article is basically irrelevant if fedgov hasn’t actually decreed anything
Posted by JawjaTigah
Bizarro World
Member since Sep 2003
22501 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 8:02 am to
What about common sense in the face of a common threat?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111519 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 8:24 am to
“Common sense” is always based on assumptions that can be warranted or unwarranted. To this point, I’ve seen no effective, in-depth analysis of those assumptions and their relative merits.
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