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Roll Call: Who supports a line item veto for the POTUS on appropriations?
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:47 pm
Let’s get some opinions on this.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:51 pm to CorporateTiger
It's going to take a Constitutional Amendment
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:51 pm to dr smartass phd
I’m just asking whether you would support it.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:51 pm to CorporateTiger
quote:Well if the Omnibus bill is just an aggregation of the 12 subcommittees that would normally have their own seperate appropriations bills then maybe he should be able to veto those 12 specific areas as if they're seperate bills like intended.
Let’s get some opinions on this.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:55 pm to CorporateTiger
quote:
I’m just asking whether you would support it.
Yeah, I've always been for line-item
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:00 pm to CorporateTiger
I know one person who does LINK
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:01 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
Well if the Omnibus bill is just an aggregation of the 12 subcommittees that would normally have their own seperate appropriations bills then maybe he should be able to veto those 12 specific areas as if they're seperate bills like intended
Didn’t Ryan say he was going to bring back breaking out the appropriations? All of these riders and negotiations are fricking uniparty bullshite
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:02 pm to dr smartass phd
quote:It just seems like a solution that creates a different set of problems.
Yeah, I've always been for line-item
There has to be some middle ground and some parameters for it. One is too big general and the other is too small specific and both seem ripe for abuse.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:06 pm to CorporateTiger
I dont because it’ll be abused and bite us in the arse bigly next time a Dem gets the White House
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:08 pm to dr smartass phd
quote:
It's going to take a Constitutional Amendment
Maybe...
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:08 pm to ehidal1
quote:Probably. But if they are going to make it 12 into 1, then I think the process, both during the votes in congress end the veto power, should allow for the 12 to be singled out, in some way. Maybe something like one can vote yes (or sign it) for the bill, and can vote no (and veto) some maximum (1 to 5 if out of 12, I don't know).
Didn’t Ryan say he was going to bring back breaking out the appropriations? All of these riders and negotiations are fricking uniparty bull shite
I see it sort of like a lawyer being able to dismiss a set number of potential jurors without a legal justification.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:10 pm to CorporateTiger
Absolutely not. The Line Item Veto makes Louisiana's governor a dictator. I can only imagine how much more powerful the executive would be with that kind of weapon at his disposal. Incumbents would never lose. The legislative branch has already ceded far too much power to the executive as it is.
A much better way to fix the problem of omnibus bills would be to create a mirror of Louisiana's germaneness and one-object rules (Louisiana State Constitution of 1974: Article III, section 15) at the federal level. This could be done by statute if constrcted very very carefully to create an actionable private right of action do have courts declare offending laws declared null even after they've been signed into law. Obviously, the best way would be to use a Constitutional Amendment.
Louisiana's rules require every bill to only have one object, and it has to be fairly limited. Our bills are typically very short, direct, and to the point. The purpose was to prevent omnibus bills. The germaneness rule prevents off the wall amendments from being added after the fact. The amendments have to be both germane to the bill as it was when first introduced AND as it is when the amendment was introduced. Because the restrictions are constitutional, plaintiffs "injured" by a legislative act can sue in state court and plead that the act itself is unconstitutional due to violating one or both of those requirements.If it is, the court will strike it down.
The only bills those requirements are not enforced on are budgets and general appropriations bills. This omnibus bill attempts to be both, but it's actually neither.
A much better way to fix the problem of omnibus bills would be to create a mirror of Louisiana's germaneness and one-object rules (Louisiana State Constitution of 1974: Article III, section 15) at the federal level. This could be done by statute if constrcted very very carefully to create an actionable private right of action do have courts declare offending laws declared null even after they've been signed into law. Obviously, the best way would be to use a Constitutional Amendment.
Louisiana's rules require every bill to only have one object, and it has to be fairly limited. Our bills are typically very short, direct, and to the point. The purpose was to prevent omnibus bills. The germaneness rule prevents off the wall amendments from being added after the fact. The amendments have to be both germane to the bill as it was when first introduced AND as it is when the amendment was introduced. Because the restrictions are constitutional, plaintiffs "injured" by a legislative act can sue in state court and plead that the act itself is unconstitutional due to violating one or both of those requirements.If it is, the court will strike it down.
The only bills those requirements are not enforced on are budgets and general appropriations bills. This omnibus bill attempts to be both, but it's actually neither.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:13 pm to CorporateTiger
No. Imagine a President Pocahontas or President Kamala Harris with this type of power.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:13 pm to CorporateTiger
The Supreme Court already declared it unconstitutional when Clinton tried to get it. Its a bad idea anyway. The minority party would never get anything accomplished. Just imagine the damage a full on socialist president would do with it.
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