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Roll Call: Who supports a line item veto for the POTUS on appropriations?

Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:47 pm
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:47 pm
Let’s get some opinions on this.
Posted by dr smartass phd
RIP 8/19
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:51 pm to
It's going to take a Constitutional Amendment
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:51 pm to
I’m just asking whether you would support it.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:51 pm to
quote:

Let’s get some opinions on this.
Well if the Omnibus bill is just an aggregation of the 12 subcommittees that would normally have their own seperate appropriations bills then maybe he should be able to veto those 12 specific areas as if they're seperate bills like intended.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 9:54 pm
Posted by dr smartass phd
RIP 8/19
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 9:55 pm to
quote:

I’m just asking whether you would support it.



Yeah, I've always been for line-item
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:00 pm to
I know one person who does LINK
Posted by ehidal1
Chief Boot Knocka
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:01 pm to
quote:

Well if the Omnibus bill is just an aggregation of the 12 subcommittees that would normally have their own seperate appropriations bills then maybe he should be able to veto those 12 specific areas as if they're seperate bills like intended

Didn’t Ryan say he was going to bring back breaking out the appropriations? All of these riders and negotiations are fricking uniparty bullshite
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:02 pm to
quote:

Yeah, I've always been for line-item
It just seems like a solution that creates a different set of problems.

There has to be some middle ground and some parameters for it. One is too big general and the other is too small specific and both seem ripe for abuse.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 10:09 pm
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:06 pm to
I dont because it’ll be abused and bite us in the arse bigly next time a Dem gets the White House
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:07 pm to
Here
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98470 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:08 pm to
quote:

It's going to take a Constitutional Amendment


Maybe...
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:08 pm to
quote:

Didn’t Ryan say he was going to bring back breaking out the appropriations? All of these riders and negotiations are fricking uniparty bull shite
Probably. But if they are going to make it 12 into 1, then I think the process, both during the votes in congress end the veto power, should allow for the 12 to be singled out, in some way. Maybe something like one can vote yes (or sign it) for the bill, and can vote no (and veto) some maximum (1 to 5 if out of 12, I don't know).

I see it sort of like a lawyer being able to dismiss a set number of potential jurors without a legal justification.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67006 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:10 pm to
Absolutely not. The Line Item Veto makes Louisiana's governor a dictator. I can only imagine how much more powerful the executive would be with that kind of weapon at his disposal. Incumbents would never lose. The legislative branch has already ceded far too much power to the executive as it is.

A much better way to fix the problem of omnibus bills would be to create a mirror of Louisiana's germaneness and one-object rules (Louisiana State Constitution of 1974: Article III, section 15) at the federal level. This could be done by statute if constrcted very very carefully to create an actionable private right of action do have courts declare offending laws declared null even after they've been signed into law. Obviously, the best way would be to use a Constitutional Amendment.

Louisiana's rules require every bill to only have one object, and it has to be fairly limited. Our bills are typically very short, direct, and to the point. The purpose was to prevent omnibus bills. The germaneness rule prevents off the wall amendments from being added after the fact. The amendments have to be both germane to the bill as it was when first introduced AND as it is when the amendment was introduced. Because the restrictions are constitutional, plaintiffs "injured" by a legislative act can sue in state court and plead that the act itself is unconstitutional due to violating one or both of those requirements.If it is, the court will strike it down.

The only bills those requirements are not enforced on are budgets and general appropriations bills. This omnibus bill attempts to be both, but it's actually neither.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 10:17 pm
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
94368 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:13 pm to
No. Imagine a President Pocahontas or President Kamala Harris with this type of power.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
39165 posts
Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:13 pm to
The Supreme Court already declared it unconstitutional when Clinton tried to get it. Its a bad idea anyway. The minority party would never get anything accomplished. Just imagine the damage a full on socialist president would do with it.
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