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re: Roe v Wade Was a Faulty Decision ------------- According to Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:08 pm to Muthsera
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:08 pm to Muthsera
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This is something I've thought about a lot lately, as someone who is very pro-choice. How is abortion different from other elective medical procedures (setting aside the issue of ectopic pregnancies and other life-threatening conditions)?
Does a state have the power to ban liposuction? Breast enlargement? Let's go further. Gay conversion therapy? How about even further. Tattoo artistry? Piercings? Where is the line drawn about what should be a protected medical procedure and what isn't?
I'd love to see a Constitutional Amendment protecting the right of people to any elective medical or cosmetic procedure, including abortive services, so long as doctor and patient consent to it. Would stop the UK style "force a baby to die" horror stories that have happened lately, as well as codify the "right to try" experimental medicine and euthanasia.
You feel that getting an abortion is no different than removing a polyp.
We get it.
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:08 pm to bmy
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Will republicans finally admit they are authoritarians? I doubt it but it's going to be fun to watch the mental gymnastics
Authoritarian you say? Without the right to life, all other freedoms are meaningless. Freedom to kill another human being should never exist.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:16 pm to Zach
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It's not a public vote. It's a legislative vote. If you're confused just Google a video 'schoolhouse rock + I'm just a bill.'
You trust politicians?
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:17 pm to meansonny
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You feel that getting an abortion is no different than removing a polyp.
No, I feel that people should have autonomy over their own bodies and doctors should have autonomy over their own practices.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:18 pm to Muthsera
The same as removing a polyp and ignoring the potential for life of the child.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:47 pm to Muthsera
quote:Autonomy is limited by how it affects others. You can swing your arms around as much as you want until you hit someone else with them. Abortion is hitting the unborn in the face and the autonomy should end where their lives begin.
I feel that people should have autonomy over their own bodies.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:54 pm to bmy
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You trust politicians?
Politicians know they can be voted out of office. Judges know they cannot. Are you beginning to understand?
Posted on 7/5/18 at 3:31 pm to LSUvet72
I like the lead actress in the movie
Posted on 7/5/18 at 6:44 pm to FooManChoo
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autonomy should end where their lives begin.
Where does their life begin? Fertilization? Implantation? Heartbeat? Brain activity? Viability? Birth?
What if they have a heartbeat but no brain develops?
What if they have a brain and cardiovascular system, but no arms, legs, or genitals?
What if the mother has extreme high blood pressure and a > 50% chance of dying from pre-eclampsia if she carries a baby to term?
It's obtuse to claim the moral high ground of "abortion = killing babies" in all circumstances and that's that.
In such a personal matter, the only defensible position is to let the parents and their physician decide - any government intervention is statist, authoritarian bullshite.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 6:49 pm to NC_Tigah
She has stated many times that the Rowe decision came too early. Whether we like it or not, societal acceptance and public attitudes DO influence some of the SCOTUS rulings
Posted on 7/5/18 at 9:24 pm to Zach
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Politicians know they can be voted out of office. Judges know they cannot. Are you beginning to understand?
well you're wrong about the judge thing but that's cool
Posted on 7/6/18 at 9:44 am to Muthsera
quote:Conception/fertilization. At that point, the unborn have their own DNA and all the genetic material needed to mature into a fully formed person.
Where does their life begin? Fertilization? Implantation? Heartbeat? Brain activity? Viability? Birth?
quote:They will die naturally in that case.
What if they have a heartbeat but no brain develops?
quote:They will most likely live and should be carried to term.
What if they have a brain and cardiovascular system, but no arms, legs, or genitals?
quote:Preeclampsia isn't a death sentence. There are many options doctors have to treat it in their patients and if there is a severe case that cannot be treated without the loss of the child, it should be left to the mother and the doctor to decide what course of action is best. I support the allowance for abortion only in the case of likely death of the mother if it isn't performed.
What if the mother has extreme high blood pressure and a > 50% chance of dying from pre-eclampsia if she carries a baby to term?
quote:Did I say that abortion is never an option? I support allowance for abortion when the life of the mother is in danger. All other scenarios are off limits in my opinion.
It's obtuse to claim the moral high ground of "abortion = killing babies" in all circumstances and that's that.
quote:When you're talking about people's lives, it moves beyond a "personal matter". What if my neighbor wanted to kill his toddler because he lost his job and was too stressed to take care of his family? Is that a personal matter or a matter for the state? I think abortion is a matter for the state, not because I want the state involved in every aspect of our lives but because the state should be involved in cases of homicide.
In such a personal matter, the only defensible position is to let the parents and their physician decide - any government intervention is statist, authoritarian bull shite.
This post was edited on 7/6/18 at 9:45 am
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