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re: Robert’s insist that tariffs are a tax on the American people, and a tax needs to come
Posted on 11/6/25 at 11:40 am to hogcard1964
Posted on 11/6/25 at 11:40 am to hogcard1964
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You're flip flopping
No. You just didn't understand the (simple) argument and tried to reverse my point.
I even broke it down for you, using your own metaphor
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Posted on 11/6/25 at 11:42 am to SlowFlowPro
OK Zohran.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 11:46 am to hogcard1964
Do you want to defend your point or just throw out ad homs?
Posted on 11/6/25 at 11:46 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Right.
The Student Loan case is also not relevant to the ACA case.
Again, multitasking is hard.
You miss things.
That's neither a gotcha nor a critique.
It's a simple fact.
I did not tie the student loan case to the Obamacare/Roberts travesty nor did I intimate relevance. You brought up the Potataobrain Loan Case.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 11:49 am to NC_Tigah
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I did not tie the student loan case to the Obamacare/Roberts travesty nor did I intimate relevance.
You said
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It was you who brought up the STUDENT LOAN POTATOBRAIN Case as similar.
It is similar, and the 2 similar cases have nothing to do with the ACA case.
...because they are similar, and the ACA case is not.
quote:
You brought up the Potataobrain Loan Case.
As an example of an actually similar case, where similar executive action was struck down (for good reason).
Posted on 11/6/25 at 11:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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It was you who brought up the STUDENT LOAN POTATOBRAIN Case as similar.
It is similar, and the 2 similar cases have nothing to do with the ACA case.
...because they are similar, and the ACA case is not.
quote:
You brought up the Potataobrain Loan Case.
As an example of an actually similar case, where similar executive action was struck down (for good reason).
Doh!!!
Posted on 11/6/25 at 11:50 am to SlowFlowPro
Sup. The voters excercise oversight every four years. The voters clearly want better economy….
Posted on 11/6/25 at 11:50 am to hogcard1964
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You're asking someone to defend their stance that you're a hypocrite?
No. You did it again.
I'm asking you to defend this
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So if I tell you that your "wife" is my pet otter, she is now an otter. Got it.
and this
quote:
You're flip flopping
Even after I pointed out your error and broke it down to the conceptual level of a small child.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 11:51 am to Zgeo
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The voters excercise oversight every four years. The voters clearly want better economy….
The voters wanted student loan relief from Biden, too.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 11:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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The voters wanted student loan relief from Biden, too.
No, most sane people didn't. Your party wanted that.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 11:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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The IEEPA does not authorize tariffs directly or specifically.
Are tariffs not used to regulate international commerce?
Posted on 11/6/25 at 11:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
Cuck
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:00 pm to Lg
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Are tariffs not used to regulate international commerce?
Well now you're back to OP. Congrats
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:02 pm to hogcard1964
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The voters wanted student loan relief from Biden, too.
No, most sane people didn't. Your party wanted that.
You people are like a caricature of a real human being. I dont know how grown men can be this ignorant.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Roberts choice from the bench to conflate fines, penalties, and taxes in the two instances is identical.
...because they are similar, and the ACA case is not.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:05 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
identical
No. Congress has a much larger canvas from which it can act compared to the limited authority granted specifically by statute from which the president may act. It's two completely different standards and analytical structures. I've explained this literally three or four times to you.
The Biden student loan case is another case of a limited executive authority, so it's perfectly comparable to the tariff case
This post was edited on 11/6/25 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Well now you're back to OP. Congrats
So the IEEPA does apply then.
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a United States federal law authorizing the president to regulate international commerce after declaring a national emergency in response to any unusual and extraordinary threat to the United States which has its source in whole or substantial part outside the United States.
That's why I asked you "who determines what a national emergency is" and you said it's irrelevant.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:06 pm to Breesus
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Trump should disband the IRS and every single federal agency not mandated by law by Congress tomorrow
Play hardball. Do it gif.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
There are also significant partisan differences. Fifty-eight percent of Democrats find student loan forgiveness important, compared with 44% of independents and just 15% of Republicans.
Democrats are also more likely than independents or Republicans to favor debt forgiveness under the circumstances outlined in the Biden-Harris administration plan, such as eliminating debt due to runaway interest (62% vs. 37% and 27%), debt forgiveness for borrowers who entered repayment over 20 years ago (65% vs. 44% and 34%), and relief for borrowers who went to institutions that left them with large debt to income ratios (59% vs. 38% and 22%).
Democrats are also more likely than independents or Republicans to favor debt forgiveness under the circumstances outlined in the Biden-Harris administration plan, such as eliminating debt due to runaway interest (62% vs. 37% and 27%), debt forgiveness for borrowers who entered repayment over 20 years ago (65% vs. 44% and 34%), and relief for borrowers who went to institutions that left them with large debt to income ratios (59% vs. 38% and 22%).
This post was edited on 11/6/25 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:08 pm to Lg
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So the IEEPA does apply then.
I did not say that
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That's why I asked you "who determines what a national emergency is" and you said it's irrelevant.
It is irrelevant. There can be an emergency and that does not mean that the regulatory powers you were citing authorize the executive to unilaterally issue tariffs.
True, if there was no emergency then he would had not have this power, but no one's arguing his ability to declare the emergency itself. It's what authority flows after that emergency is declared that we are discussing.
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