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Posted on 11/2/21 at 3:37 pm to Noctyr
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Basically scientific consensus says it’s nonsense
Is this like the “consensus” on global warming?!……I mean climate change??lol
Posted on 11/2/21 at 3:38 pm to Jjdoc
Dr. Cole has likely discovered cell exhaustion & immunity deficiencies due to our lack of knowledge in the T Cells in general.
The risks of short cycle clinical studies & Guinea pig jabs should have been enough, but fricking around with the bodies naturally system via T Cells at this point of the game was insanity at best.
If only they had been more honest about deaths/demographics and made any effort to legitimize therapeutics, articles like these support the "they are trying to kill us" mantra.
Vaccination induced alterations
T Cells & Covid
Cellullar dysfunction & exhaustion CD8
Posted on 11/2/21 at 3:38 pm to themunch
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Is this part of Covids infection? Sounds like it
From other intracellular pathogens that are nonviral.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 3:43 pm to crazy4lsu
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we should be seeing autoimmune disorders as well as continual upper respiratory and lower respiratory infections, as well as ANCA-associated vasculitis, shouldn't we?
And we aren’t seeing that? To be sure of this, you’d have to be sure of the data, including a control value.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 3:43 pm to themunch
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Is this how HIV presents?
HIV is categorized by depressed CD4 response through CCR5 binding. There are also associated pathogens with HIV which saw a massive increase in incidence. It beggars belief that there would not be a similar association with CD8 depression outside of just viruses. Which is a point that this doctor and subsequently the moron OP can't seem to understand.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 3:46 pm to Earnest_P
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And we aren’t seeing that? To be sure of this, you’d have to be sure of the data, including a control value.
I certainly haven't seen anything like this, nor have I heard anything about this on any of the floors. The incidence of GPA and MPA is 0.4 to 12 per million and 0.5 to 24 per million people respectively. If there was a depression of CD8 response, you would see this, and far more other illnesses in proportions that far exceed earlier incidence rates.
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Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:15 pm to The Albatross
Note that this "Fact Check" starts with the SO MANY HAVE DIED, and while that is true, it is due medicine has ignored proven early treatment protocols.
Why would friends who are still MD's and have retired as med school profs involved in research make the mRNA claims a year ago about immune systems being nuked and cancers?
What I have seen is a wholesale want to force vaccinations and discount ANY actual tried and true treatment by the governing authorities.
Why would friends who are still MD's and have retired as med school profs involved in research make the mRNA claims a year ago about immune systems being nuked and cancers?
What I have seen is a wholesale want to force vaccinations and discount ANY actual tried and true treatment by the governing authorities.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:19 pm to andyv95
Stay on topic chief. Whataboutisms are plentiful in this forum of learned doctors.
This post was edited on 11/2/21 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:29 pm to crazy4lsu
Upper respiratory symptoms are growing more prevalent, docs say
From NBC.. LINK
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is issuing this health advisory to notify clinicians and caregivers about increased respiratory syncytial virus (RSV)...
Doctors in Georgia and other Southern states have seen since April an unusual surge of a common respiratory virus that affects children and older adults.
A respiratory infection prevalent mostly in the winter has been increasing in parts of the U.S.
Non-Covid respiratory illnesses on rise in UK, medical experts say
CHP investigates two outbreaks of upper respiratory tract infection involving 42 students
All headlines.
This isn't happening?
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:30 pm to crazy4lsu
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Which is a point that this doctor and subsequently the moron OP can't seem to understand.
Now you are flat out lying.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:33 pm to Jjdoc
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This isn't happening?
Again, you moron, the pathogens responsible are meaningfully important, as well as the recurrence rate for those pathogens. You don't even know what I'm referring to, while the other doctor in the thread did. So please understand there would be very specific patterns of illness.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:34 pm to Jjdoc
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Now you are flat out lying.
That you don't seem to understand that other factors can potentiate a CD8 response? Yeah I will stand by that, as you clearly don't.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:38 pm to crazy4lsu
I understand.
I quoted you and then gave you headlines from around the world and the USA.
Your words:
Your words.
So I link to NBC. I post headlines from this year dealing with just one portion of that and now you want to side step that. Why is that?
I quoted you and then gave you headlines from around the world and the USA.
Your words:
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we should be seeing autoimmune disorders as well as continual upper respiratory and lower respiratory infections, as well as ANCA-associated vasculitis, shouldn't we?
Your words.
So I link to NBC. I post headlines from this year dealing with just one portion of that and now you want to side step that. Why is that?
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:39 pm to Jjdoc
Do you think all upper and lower respiratory infections are the same? That's the only way you could possibly think that your link is a retort to my claim about immunodeficiency patterns of disease.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:48 pm to crazy4lsu
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That you don't seem to understand that other factors can potentiate a CD8 response? Yeah I will stand by that, as you clearly don't.
No I understand. You, however, keep digging yourself in to a hole.
Your words again:
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we should be seeing autoimmune disorders as well as continual upper respiratory and lower respiratory infections, as well as ANCA-associated vasculitis, shouldn't we?
I dealt with just 1 part of that. Now you want to change it again.
Let's autoimmune disorders. Shall we?
Autoimmunity may be rising in the United States
Graves' disease .. Increasing
Two studies: Covid-19 vaccines trigger autoimmune Graves' disease in some female health care workers
More?
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:51 pm to Jjdoc
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No I understand. You, however, keep digging yourself in to a hole.
No I don't, because what am I referencing there. I'm referencing a specific molecule. Please name it.
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Let's autoimmune disorders. Shall we?
Again, there are specific autoimmune disorders associated with a possible CD8 deficiency. You keep being a moron because you can't seem to understand the pathophysiology of even autoimmune disorders are meaningfully different. Also Graves disease is a Type II hypersensitivity reaction which is specifically non-cytotoxic. Do you understand what that means?
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:51 pm to crazy4lsu
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Do you think all upper and lower respiratory infections are the same? That's the only way you could possibly think that your link is a retort to my claim about immunodeficiency patterns of disease.
Holy Crapola.
LOL!
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:53 pm to Jjdoc
Again, what pathogens are causing those symptoms? Because there should be an increase in very specific intracellular pathogens, which have not been referenced, and are associated with very specific diseases. You can't seem to get it into your thick skull that there are several intracellular pathogens which should see corresponding increases. Can't wait to see you bumble this response.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 5:01 pm to crazy4lsu
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Do you think all upper and lower respiratory infections are the same? That's the only way you could possibly think that your link is a retort to my claim about immunodeficiency patterns of disease.
I'm sensing a flawed transitive thought process fueled by assumptions.
Have you read the Dr's findings in totality or even watched a video?
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