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Posted on 10/29/18 at 7:59 pm to upgrayedd
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It took me 9 months to get my suppressor approved by the ATF. frick those people.
For something you can buy off the shelf in fricking Europe...that’s is considered rude if you don’t shoot with it attached in damn left wing Europe.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 8:02 pm to Kino74
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Looks like some agency wants a $200 check on 10+ million owners.
Too bad I lost mine in that Boating Accident
Posted on 10/29/18 at 8:03 pm to Kino74
I couldn't care less. One more gun law I would break. Just like I refuse on principle to get a concealed carry license, because I don't have to ask the government's permission to exercise my God given right.
This post was edited on 10/29/18 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 10/29/18 at 8:59 pm to Kino74
The "weapons of war" line is always good for a laugh. American civilians have ALWAYS possessed private ownership of the common military era rifle designs.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 9:23 pm to BuckyCheese
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This ATF choad, and cops in general, don't like the idea a civilian might have just as good of weaponry as they do. They want an advantage.
Man as long as you don’t use it against them, most cops are as pro 2A as it gets
Posted on 10/29/18 at 9:44 pm to Oilfieldbiology
I dont believe fingerprints are required in most states for long guns.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 9:47 pm to ChewyDante
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The "weapons of war" line is always good for a laugh. American civilians have ALWAYS possessed private ownership of the common military era rifle designs.
I would agree w that up until the magazine fed BAR came about in 1918 for WW I. Post WW II people could still get Garands, but how many had Thompsons or legit belt fed machine guns?
Eta: Garand was available post WW II, not WWI.
This post was edited on 10/29/18 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 10/29/18 at 9:56 pm to Kino74
Can't remember who said it (maybe Rush Limbaugh) but ATF shouldn't be the name if a government agency...but the name of a convenience store.
This post was edited on 10/30/18 at 7:50 am
Posted on 10/29/18 at 9:58 pm to NYNolaguy1
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I would agree w that up until the magazine fed BAR came about in 1918 for WW I. Post WW I people could still get Garands, but how many had Thompsons or legit belt fed machine guns?
Machine guns are not part of this discussion. They have been regulated since 1934. We're talking about standard rifle technology of the day, of which modern day "assault weapons," aka semiauto intermediate caliber rifles, are and have been since WWII. The only difference being a more versatile cartridge and increased magazine capacity. Bolt action rifles at one point were cutting edge "weapons of war." As were lever action repeaters and muskets. This only serves to highlight the stupidity and pure propaganda of making that phrase a central argument behind why a specific weapon platform ought to be banned or more strictly regulated. It's disingenuous garbage and highlights a lack of interest in honest discussion.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:00 pm to Kino74
Loyd Grafton taught criminal Justice classes at several LA Universities. He was a retired ATF and DEA agent and was about as conservative a fellow as you could find. He sat on the LSP civil service board unti they pissed him off and he quit. Not all ATF agents are like this guy. I learned more from Loyd Grafton because of his real world experience that 10 Yale educated social scientists.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:05 pm to ChewyDante
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would agree w that up until the magazine fed BAR came about in 1918 for WW I. Post WW I people could still get Garands, but how many had Thompsons or legit belt fed machine guns?
The BAR was not belt fed. You’re thinking of the browning M1919 belt fed machine gun.
M1 Garands were 8 shot semi auto rifles which were introduced into service in 1936 well after WWI.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:08 pm to Kino74
A retired ATF agent who wants more gun control. That’s as shocking as a former concentration camp guard who is antisemitic.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:17 pm to lsufan1971
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The BAR was not belt fed. You’re thinking of the browning M1919 belt fed machine gun.
In his defense, he said the BAR was magazine fed.
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M1 Garands were 8 shot semi auto rifles which were introduced into service in 1936 well after WWI.
Also pretty sure he meant WWII there in context.
The point remains, semiauto rifles are standard rifle technology and have been since at least WWII. Civilian owned semiauto AR's are not comparable to the technological leap of heavy, light, and submachine guns. The difference in killing capability of an AR platform and an M1 carbine are virtually nothing in the hands of a mass shooter. And comparing an AR to a belt fed machine gun or any other automatic weapon is not a legitimate comparison and the argument that "weapons of war," by shear nature of their potential military utility, should warrant a higher class of regulation is refuted by the entire history of American firearms liberties.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:24 pm to ChewyDante
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We're talking about standard rifle technology of the day, of which modern day "assault weapons," aka semiauto intermediate caliber rifles, are and have been since WWII.
The only flaw with this argument is that the
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standard rifle technology of the day
Is more than simply a semi-automatic rifle. When soldiers/marines go through BCT/Recruit Training they dont train with simple semi-auto weapons. I suspect you know this already.
Eta: Thanks for pointing out(not being sarcastic) my intent on both points above, you were correct on both assumptions
This post was edited on 10/29/18 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:25 pm to lsufan1971
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Loyd Grafton taught criminal Justice classes at several LA Universities. He was a retired ATF and DEA agent and was about as conservative a fellow as you could find. He sat on the LSP civil service board unti they pissed him off and he quit. Not all ATF agents are like this guy. I learned more from Loyd Grafton because of his real world experience that 10 Yale educated social scientists.
All the really old guys that were in law enforcement seem to be great guys, the problem are the ones that were in after SWAT teams started using military style vehicles and wearing military tactical garb, they seem to think they are another arm of the special forces.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:27 pm to Kino74
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weapon of war
What war was he fighting?
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:33 pm to ChewyDante
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In his defense, he said the BAR was magazine fed.
Correct. My bad.
The Obama admin toyed with idea of getting ATF to reclassify “AW” type II destructive devices by taking the sporting classification off of them after SH.
They feared the political repercussions and decided against it. The day will come at some point when it will happen. I hate to say it but the country is getting more liberal everyday.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:36 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Is more than simply a semi-automatic rifle. When soldiers/marines go through BCT/Recruit Training they dont train with simple semi-auto weapons. I suspect you know this already.
I do, which is why I pointed out that the discussion in question has nothing to do with automatic weapons as they are already highly regulated. When this "weapons of war" argument is made, they are referring to semiauto AR's, exactly what the agent in OP's link was referring to.
When the gun control advocates use that term, it's not honest nor historically consistent, period.
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Eta: Thanks for pointing out(not being sarcastic) my intent on both points above, you were correct on both assumptions
Hey, I like honest discussions and I could tell you were trying to have one. If you know the BAR was magazine fed and came out at the end of WWI then I'm going to safely assume you know about the M1 Garand.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 11:00 pm to KosmoCramer
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ATF swat doesn't have 3 round burst weapons?
Did they not learn anything from Waco?
They did learn not to throw a hand grenade through the same window two of their partners just crawled through.
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