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Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:32 pm to RFK
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they are statistically part of the largest group of undecided voters in this election.
There is simply no such thing this election.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:32 pm to RFK
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I personally fail to see how involving the government in a healthcare decision like abortion is any different from forcing vaccines on people
The baby that will be murdered by their own mother sure sees it differently.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:33 pm to RFK
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This post was edited on 8/30/24 at 11:56 am
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:37 pm to RFK
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healthcare decision like abortion
Trying to equate the murder of a baby with say having your tonsils out is probably the biggest false equivalency of all time.
If you view an unborn baby as a human life, you can't spin your desire to kill it as a "medical decision"
Hand waving away the serious ethical and moral implications of what's happening is delusional.
Most people know deep down abortion is murder but want it legal anyway because it's convenient for them.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:39 pm to CalTiger53
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At least back off and say it is the woman's choice until you win dummies
It shouldn't be the woman's choice. It should be the choice of the population of the state. That is where such things are governed.
Don't get pregnant if you don't want to be pregnant. Not getting pregnant is quite possibly one of the easiest decisions to make outside of breathing. It is very, very easy to not get pregnant.
An accidental pregnancy has never occurred.
This post was edited on 8/29/24 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:42 pm to RFK
No different? I guess you are too fricking stupid to see one thing ends a life that has no chance to defend itself and the other is the government forcing you to inject something that could end your life. Sure. No difference. Try again moron and I am not even pro-life. Do better with your arguments.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:43 pm to Indefatigable
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Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:46 pm to CalTiger53
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It is a personal choice and it is not an issue worth destroying the country for it.
No one is destroying the country for it.
Is one side of the political spectrum fearmongering on ridiculous assertions that federal abortion bans are even possible? Yes.
And I agree with you that getting pregnant is a personal choice. As I said before, there has never been an accidental pregnancy. If certain states want to hold women responsible for the life that they willingly chose to create, then that is the prerogative of the democratic will of the people of that sovereign entity.
Don't like it and live in those jurisdictions? Then very simple do not get pregnant. There are videos on the internet to assist if you need help learning how to not let some dude nut inside of you without any sort of protection or contraceptive if you don't want the result.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 11:54 pm to RFK
Tell them to move to a state that allows it. It’s no longer in the federal government’s hands. Obviously you and those gaggle of retards don’t actually know what’s going on which speaks volumes that you and your band of lawyers and a doctor are so ignorant. That’s why the judicial system and medical field are trash. Obviously not the best and brightest. No offense
Posted on 8/30/24 at 12:01 am to Indefatigable
quote:It doesn’t. Our founding fathers recognized our creator without being priests and pastors and I doubt you think they were advocates of a theocracy.
It does, actually.
quote:That isn’t an objective moral standard. Our laws are based on the whims of the masses and change regularly by politicians who have no objective moral compass.
It does. The basis of secular morality is what the secular entity sets forth as its laws
quote:Laws are about control. The reason people vote is to control how this country operates and how people are allowed to act in this country.
"Advocate" all you want. That is different from basing your entire political philosophy on an inherent inability to control what people in other places choose to do.
quote:There is a lot of value in that and what most people are doing when they vote in federal elections.
There is no value in someone from Georgia telling people in California how they should run their state. Their fate and their opinions are outside of your control.
quote:Again, that’s what people do every 2 to 4 years with federal elections. It is occupying a lot of space in a lot of heads at this very moment with a heated Presidential election coming up.
No, but it certainly invalidates the relevance of their opinion relative to places that they don't live in and rightfully have no control or influence over whatsoever. I'm not telling you that you cannot dislike the rules or morality that other places chose to govern themselves by, I'm telling you that attempting to extrapolate your values on people that live outside of the area that you have the ability to influence is both pointless and futile. It shouldn't take up space in your head.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 12:15 am to FooManChoo
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That isn’t an objective moral standard. Our laws are based on the whims of the masses and change regularly by politicians who have no objective moral compass.
And the alternative is the whims of a religious group of people who change their moral compass as it suits them. Not sure that there is a single historical example of a theocratic society surviving any longer than the secular ones.
Why should we choose FooManChoo's religious beliefs to be beholden to over all of the others, or those that came before you?
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There is a lot of value in that
Such as? Quantify it. What is the value in yelling into the void at people that you don't and will never control?
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what most people are doing when they vote in federal elections.
If that is what people are doing when they vote in federal elections, then respectfully those people are ignorant beyond belief and have no concept of the government they choose to participate in.
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Again, that’s what people do every 2 to 4 years with federal elections. It is occupying a lot of space in a lot of heads at this very moment with a heated Presidential election coming up.
You've already said that you'll assist Democrats (who are the greater of two evils by any objective measure under your preferred morality) by refusing to vote for the better candidate, so there is really nothing I can say on that point that will move the needle for you.
This post was edited on 8/30/24 at 12:16 am
Posted on 8/30/24 at 12:15 am to RFK
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1) fiscal responsibility but 2) social liberalism,
Don't those 2 things cancel each other out? How can you have both?..
Anyway, I agree with you on abortion, it's a bad ideal to even get involved, but there are some lunatics out their that think murdering almost fully formed babies is OK as a form of birth control because they are too stupid to use a birth control pill or a contraceptive or morning after pill...There are so many better options. Even adoption if you don't want the baby. I think at the very least, young girls should have to take a class on this in high school (outside of sex ed) that reinforces that abortion should be a last resort and educates them on what a truly major decision it can be and how it can negatively impact them psychologically for the rest of their life...
I've never met a woman that had an abortion when they were young that did not regret it and have baggage and guilt from it when they got older and matured...But, they have to live with that...
This post was edited on 8/30/24 at 12:31 am
Posted on 8/30/24 at 12:15 am to RFK
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a politician making a choice for them that they feel should be their’s to make, whatever that choice may be.
The woman gets to make the choice in the bedroom when she is choosing to have the sex. When at that time it truly is “her body, her choice”.
The woman doesn’t get to choose to terminate the life of an unborn baby because she made a bad choice 2 months earlier. At this point it is not longer just “her body” she is making “healthcare” decisions for.
This isn’t difficult.
This post was edited on 8/30/24 at 12:28 am
Posted on 8/30/24 at 12:20 am to RFK
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1) fiscal responsibility but 2) social liberalism
Then we are doomed. And its their fault.
Social liberalism leads to trannies and minor attracted people diddling your kids.
Humanity cane this far ONLY through being socially conservative, and every major society that collapsed, colapsed after taking on " social liberalism"
Tell your 3 females in your life to stop voting with their feelings and use their brains.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 12:22 am to FooManChoo
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Our laws are based on the whims of the masses and change regularly by politicians who have no objective moral compass.
This is generally bullshite. The vast majority of federal law has zero implications or relation to morality.
The overwhelming majority of State criminal laws conform with the morality of every major religious and belief system on earth.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 12:50 am to RFK
You have come to the wrong place to make a valid and intelligent point.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 12:52 am to RFK
There are no undecided voters. There ARE Voters who can be swayed by public opinion. They aren't undecided, they are just open to influence by the media. They have no capacity to "decide". They operate as they are told.
This post was edited on 8/30/24 at 12:56 am
Posted on 8/30/24 at 1:01 am to RFK
The biggest issue I have with your friends stance is I bet they didn’t get bothered by forced shutdown, forced 6ft away, forced masks, forced vaccines or close to it. Heavy shaming.
The left is all about telling Americans what to do and forcing things upon us.
The left is all about telling Americans what to do and forcing things upon us.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 1:11 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Its proof that your wife is a low information moron. A fricking idiot. Divorce her
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