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re: Repeat after me, NO COLLUSION & NO OBSTRUCTION!

Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:02 pm to
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
53272 posts
Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:02 pm to
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What does the presumption of innocence have to do with whether Trump actually committed obstruction?


Ah. So you want to just declare him guilty and ignore criminal procedure. How convenient. Carry on. Hint: hard to get a criminal conviction if you ignore criminal procedures.

ETA: before you make your next mistake...let me remind you Congress cannot find trump criminally guilty of obstruction either. They don’t have that power. Impeachment is not a criminal procedure. Obstruction is part of the criminal code. Just trying to protect you from yourself.
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 7:04 pm
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14933 posts
Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:06 pm to
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So you want to just declare him guilty and ignore criminal procedure. How convenient. Carry on. Hint: hard to get a criminal conviction if you ignore criminal procedures.
A weasel out answer just like always.

Try this again. Answer this question. And don't give me a bunch of bullshite about criminal procedure.

What does the presumption of innocence have to do with whether Trump actually committed obstruction?

Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44048 posts
Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:07 pm to
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whether Trump actually committed obstruction?



Let's see your evidence he committed obstruction first.

Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
53272 posts
Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:15 pm to
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What does the presumption of innocence have to do with whether Trump actually committed obstruction?


Obstruction of Justice is a crime codified in the US code. Those accused of crimes in the United States enjoy a presumption of innocence. In order to overcome that presumption, a United States attorney must prove to a finder of fact beyond a reasonable doubt that the elements of the crime were met. And you don’t know why the presumption of innocence is important in determining wether the crime of obstruction was committed? Good lord.


If you want to pretend you are finding him guilty of something not codified in the criminal code, feel free. But that isn’t obstruction. Your question only amplifies your ignorance of basics. Anyone with a modicum of understanding would not need this simple concept explained.

This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 7:18 pm
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14933 posts
Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:15 pm to
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BBONDS25 . . . . . . . as if choosing a name in cap's would somehow make you seem smarter.
Actually he has an enormous inferiority complex. That's one reason why he has his name in caps and why he comes on here desperately trying to make people think he has something other than a very average intellect.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
53272 posts
Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:19 pm to
Holy shite. You guys are analyzing MY username being in caps and accuse me of having an inferiority complex? tell you what, if I did it would take one short conversation with you to make me feel like the smartest man alive. Thanks for helping me fight my complex.
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 7:20 pm
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
46906 posts
Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:19 pm to
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Donald J. Trump
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
8h

This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 7:20 pm
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14933 posts
Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:21 pm to
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Those accused of crimes in the United States enjoy a presumption of innocence.
It's a burden of proof legal presumption, dumbass. It doesn't have anything to do with whether that person actually committed the crime or not.

You're a clown.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
53272 posts
Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:22 pm to
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It's a burden of proof legal presumption, dumbass. It doesn't have anything to do with whether that person actually committed the crime or not.

So you want to just call him guilty without having to meet the burden. Presume his guilt, if you will. We know. Fascists gonna fascist.
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 7:24 pm
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14933 posts
Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:24 pm to
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You guys are analyzing MY username being in caps and accuse me of having an inferiority complex?
Tell me jackass, why did you put your username in all caps?
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
53272 posts
Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:25 pm to
I have no clue. It was a decade ago. And I like Barry bonds. It is so weird you analyze that. It’s kind of creepy. I mean really creepy. You are the same poster obsessed with my businesses and past professions too. Please do not respond to me anymore. I will stop posting to you. This has crossed the line from entertainment to legitimately weird.
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 7:28 pm
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14933 posts
Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:31 pm to
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It's a burden of proof legal presumption, dumbass. It doesn't have anything to do with whether that person actually committed the crime or not.
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So you want to just call him guilty without having to meet the burden. Presume his guilt, if you will.


Dumbass, just answer the question. What does the legal presumption of presumption of innocence have to do with whether Trump actually committed obstruction or not?

Posted by TigersFan64
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2014
4755 posts
Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:36 pm to
I am going to be laughing so hard at stupid posts like yours when the country sets things right and boots that lying, corrupt POS out of office.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14933 posts
Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:43 pm to
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It is so weird you analyze that.
I didn't bring it up. Another poster brought up your all caps username weirdness.
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You are the same poster obsessed with my businesses and past professions too.
I was curiously because you claim to have all this vast work experience when you have only been out of law school for about 10 years. Just more of your bullshite.
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Please do not respond to me anymore. I will stop posting to you.
You tired of getting your bullshite pushed back in your face?

Before you go, answer the question about presumption of innocence so I can get to demonstrate your ignorance one more time.


Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
22973 posts
Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:51 pm to
NO COLLUSION & NO OBSTRUCTION!

Both statements are true!
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
60793 posts
Posted on 5/30/19 at 8:55 pm to
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What does the presumption of innocence have to do with this?
Holee isht.

I started to laugh at this.

Then I realized how scary it is. Do you really want to live under a regime that can simply presume people are guilty of criminal offenses because they are not political opponents? Because thst would seem to be your position.

That is “literally Hitler” territory.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
60793 posts
Posted on 5/30/19 at 8:57 pm to
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You guys are analyzing MY username being in caps and accuse me of having an inferiority complex?
Anything to avoid he issue at hand.
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
18112 posts
Posted on 5/30/19 at 9:08 pm to
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possible obstruction.


Possible? You don’t prosecute possible. Again, if the guy had ample evidence he would have recommended charges just as SC Starr did with Clinton.
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