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re: Reminder: Democrats can end shutdown with 15mins and 0.013571428% of our overall budget

Posted on 1/12/19 at 2:03 pm to
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 1/12/19 at 2:03 pm to
The point is the Dems are squabbling about a minuscule portion of the budget for preventing a good chunk of illegal immigration.

If you believe Dems really are concerned about the budget, versus just preventing Trump from getting a win... then your head is buried deep in the sand.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/12/19 at 2:35 pm to
The “Democratic” party are no angels, but a president who uses the government as a bargaining chip (after losing the popular vote and never reaching 50% approval) in an attempt to make good on an outrageous and unpopular campaign promise is disgraceful.
Two years of one party in power, why was this pushed back?
We all know why. .
Not enough republicans support it, so Trump is using the loss in the midterms to shift the blame on the other party.
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
9520 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 2:39 pm to
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but a president who uses the government as a bargaining chip (after losing the popular vote and never reaching 50% approval) in an attempt to make good on an outrageous and unpopular campaign promise is disgraceful


See my post right before yours...

How else is he supposed to get a common sense, cost effective security measure in place when the Dems oppose anything he does?
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56529 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 2:39 pm to
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Wouldn't the OP make this true as well?



Not really. The dems have stated this is a financial decision. The OP shows how small of an amount has been requisition relative to this single year's budget.

The dems are obviously playing politics. Trump's request is extremely reasonable. There are practically zero financial repercussions as a result.

I'll tell you that while I want the wall, I'm hoping this shutdown goes as long as possible. We'll see how long the democrats want it to last. Personally, I hope they are as slow to read the tea leaves as they've been in the past.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56529 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 2:41 pm to
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How about cut $5 billion from the defense budget to pay for it.


If the dems modified the budget to do this, Trump would sign. The dems simply don't want that.

quote:

other developed countries having universal healthcare for everyone


I don't want universal healthcare. That would be a disaster. Only an idiot would want that.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
69102 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 2:53 pm to
Why not pass tent pole legislation when you have power?

Why was this not a big rush until after the elections?
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
69102 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 2:55 pm to
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56529 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 3:28 pm to
It's a humorous concept to criticize Trump for being ineffective in leading the Dems.



Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
9520 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 3:38 pm to
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Why not pass tent pole legislation when you have power? 

Why was this not a big rush until after the elections?


Going to need to define tent pole legislation...

Regardless, do you really think that if it could have been done before, the R's just decided to wait for the fun of it?

The fact still remains that the Dems are opposing something so obviously needed just to prevent a Trump win. I place the blame largely on them.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35239 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 3:43 pm to
quote:

The point is the Dems are squabbling about a minuscule portion of the budget for preventing a good chunk of illegal immigration.

If you believe Dems really are concerned about the budget, versus just preventing Trump from getting a win... then your head is buried deep in the sand.
Well his point may be morally right, but his math was factually wrong.
Posted by Brazos
Member since Oct 2013
20361 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 5:22 pm to
So do nothing to stop the billions and billions being spent on illegals flooding into our country?
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