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re: Regarding Lois Lerner's proclamation of innocence and the Fifth Amendment
Posted on 4/10/14 at 12:51 pm to Rex
Posted on 4/10/14 at 12:51 pm to Rex
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Rex
Are you so naive that you can't see what's going on here? The government is using it's power to destroy people it disagrees with politically. You're concerned about one person that pushed this agenda, when you fail to see the bigger picture.
Either you are completely blind to what's going on, or you are complacent with it. I have trouble deciding what side of the fence you're on.
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 12:52 pm to C
she openly reduced to committing NO crimes, violating NO rules, and violating NO regulations.
seems like the bitch is fricked
seems like the bitch is fricked
Posted on 4/10/14 at 12:52 pm to Rex
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I'm being totally honest
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From the very beginning Darrell Issa has conducted this "investigation" in a partisan manner
Define partisan matter. It's entirely a partisan issue, that of a supposedly agnostic government agency trying to silence free speech from a dissenting voice.
Cummings has provoked a partisan response, and now it looks like his hands are dirty?
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, first instructing his inspectors to focus entirely on Tea Party violations
Show us the progressive violations. Learn the facts.
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memoranda to selected reporters in an obvious attempt to buttress one line of prearranged and biased attack
Is it? Or is it that the IRS ONLY targeted conservative groups?
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He accused the Obama Administration of orchestrating an anti-conservative IRS vendetta despite the lack of one iota of evide
Just stop re-writing history. There was evidence. There was an admission from Lerner herself.
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and then has felt compelled to back up those allegations with one-sided leaks.
Again, one-sided because the entire thing only targets one side.
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Emails? Show them ALL, not just the cherry-picked ones.
Then deliver them ALL fricknuts. Issa hasn't even gotten the deliverables from the subpeonas. It will take "years", past the current election cycle.
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Pleading the Fifth? Any lawyer worth his salt would have advised the exact same thing given that the whole point of her hearings was entrapment and not a search for truth.
I don't think you know what entrapment means.
Go ask your OFA talking points leader for responses, don't try to do it yourself because you're incapable of having an informed, grown up argument.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 12:53 pm to Decatur
quote:Which, as has been pointed out several times, has nothing to do with Lerner's perjury.
may continue to answer questions and may stop short at any time as long as they haven't made incriminating statements.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 12:53 pm to Rex
Then lets expose everything to the light and let the chips fall where they may. I would hope that as Americans, neither side wants corruption in the highest levels of government.
To me, when there's a lot of smoke - that means that there is a fire somewhere that needs to be put out. I don't care if it brings down Republicans or Democrats.
To me, when there's a lot of smoke - that means that there is a fire somewhere that needs to be put out. I don't care if it brings down Republicans or Democrats.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 12:55 pm to NYNolaguy1
What I see is a Republican pro-oligarchy committee hell-bent on punishing somebody opposed to Citizens United. THAT'S what you should be fearing. THAT'S the affront to democracy to which you should be objecting.
People get audited by the IRS. It happens. Show me a graph showing a correlation between Tea Party applicants and subsequent audits, not some random isolated crybaby.
People get audited by the IRS. It happens. Show me a graph showing a correlation between Tea Party applicants and subsequent audits, not some random isolated crybaby.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 12:57 pm to CptBengal
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seems like the bitch is fricked
A Federal judge will dismiss this. Inasmuch as the facts, the law, and court precedent are all on her side it's pretty much guaranteed.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 1:01 pm to NC_Tigah
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Which, as has been pointed out several times, has nothing to do with Lerner's perjury.
Which of her statements to the Committee were "incriminating" under the law?
Are there other statements from other venues that you are referring to?
This post was edited on 4/10/14 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 4/10/14 at 1:01 pm to Rex
quote:She had every right to plead the fifth and not be fired for it. One would assume an employee so embroiled would be ineffective in her job, and therefore might be placed on leave until resolution.
That's just stupid. Would you have said the same if Nancy Pelosi had tried to prosecute one of Bush's CIA operatives in an attempt to uncover incriminating evidence against Bush?
But relative to the OP, Lerner does not, nor did not have the right to testify in a manner directly contradicting assertions of duplicity, and then plead the 5th when asked for clarifications.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 1:02 pm to Decatur
quote:Nearly every single one.
Which of her statements to the Committee were "incriminating" under the law?
Posted on 4/10/14 at 1:02 pm to Decatur
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Do you have a quarrel with how the Supreme Court for the U.S. rules on this particular issue?
Posted on 4/10/14 at 1:03 pm to NC_Tigah
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But relative to the OP, Lerner does not, nor did not have the right to testify in a manner directly contradicting assertions of duplicity, and then plead the 5th when asked for clarifications.
You got a legal cite on that?
Posted on 4/10/14 at 1:11 pm to Rex
What I see is a pattern of partisanship by the Democrat Party and this Administration, pushing through partisan legislation (ACA), selectively enforcing laws on the books, governing by Executive Order, delaying implementation of the law of the land (ACA) again and again in order to insulate effects of the law from upcoming elections.
This and a number of other things make me NOT trust ANYTHING that this Administration says. And it makes me very suspicious of this scandal for sure. To be perfectly honest, though, I trust Republicans more by only a smidgeon (to borrow a term) and have changed my Party affiliation from R to I. I trust none of them.
The affront to democracy that I object to is an ever-encroaching Federal Government.
This and a number of other things make me NOT trust ANYTHING that this Administration says. And it makes me very suspicious of this scandal for sure. To be perfectly honest, though, I trust Republicans more by only a smidgeon (to borrow a term) and have changed my Party affiliation from R to I. I trust none of them.
The affront to democracy that I object to is an ever-encroaching Federal Government.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 1:11 pm to Rex
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What I see is a Republican pro-oligarchy committee hell-bent on punishing somebody opposed to Citizens United. THAT'S what you should be fearing
Might I remind you Citizens United is the current law of the land.
So now you hope that the IRS enforces the Democrat stance on Citizens United? What happened to following the law of the land?
What you are suggesting is authoritarianism is somehow justified by the personal belief of those in power with complete disregard for the laws that govern our country.
You're showing your true colors here. Please I want to hear more about how discretion is accepted about who must follow what laws.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 1:11 pm to Alahunter
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Supreme Court
Ok?
Do you have something you think overrules Hoag?
Waiting for y'all to show me something.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 1:14 pm to NC_Tigah
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Nearly every single one.
I think a federal judge is going to disagree with you
This post was edited on 4/10/14 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 4/10/14 at 1:14 pm to Decatur
Nothing anyone posts or shows you, will deter your staunch support and railroading of innocent of Americans at the expense of freedoms. A few on here, do not have the capability to look behind the blind allegiance of a letter, behind someone's name, or refuse to and would rather surrender more freedoms for the sake of a hollow victory.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 1:14 pm to NC_Tigah
That's not citing legal authority on the issue. That's a congressional committee resolution.
Looking for binding precedent here.
Looking for binding precedent here.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 1:19 pm to Alahunter
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Nothing anyone posts or shows you, will deter your staunch support and railroading of innocent of Americans at the expense of freedoms.
That's a predictably hackish and hypocritical thing to say for someone who wants to deny an American her Fifth Amendment rights merely because he hopes for some gotcha against our President.
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