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re: Rand Paul and foreign policy

Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:33 pm to
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:33 pm to
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Rand should totally put it on his platform

Did you know that Rand ran for the Senate on a pledge of cutting off all foreign aid, or that he's one of only two Republican Senators who opposed the Iran War resolution, or that he was only one of four Republican Senators who voted to confirm Chuck Hagel to Secretary of Defense?

Back in 2008, Obama said something in one of the debates that resonated with me:

"I Want To End Mindset That Got Us Into War In The First Place"

When Obama made that phone call to Iranian President Hassan Rouhani, it was the first time he began to live up to that promise. I believe that Rand Paul is much more likely than Hillary Clinton to continue to change that mindset. Hillary represents the status quo with regards to American imperialism and militarism.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:39 pm to
I'm not saying there aren't weapons programs and such that we can do without, but what we spend in terms of how we maintain our worldwide power projection matters to maintain American primacy. The alternative is to cede that primacy to China, Russia. Forgive me if I prefer a world driven by American values backed up with military power.
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 10:42 pm
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:43 pm to
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I'm not saying there aren't weapons programs and such that we can do without, but what we spend in terms of how we maintain our worldwide power projection matters to maintain American primacy. The alternative is to cede that primacy to China, Russia. Forgive me if I prefer a world driven by American values backed up with military power.



I think you are mistaken to believe that we need to spend this kind of money to maintain primacy.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:45 pm to
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Forgive me if I prefer a world driven by American values backed up with military power.

Why is imposing "American values" on others so important to you?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:45 pm to
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our worldwide power projection matters to maintain American primacy

Economic projection is the matter requisite to maintaining American primacy
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32659 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:51 pm to
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Why is imposing "American values" on others so important to you?


Because I prefer American values to Russian values or Chinese values shaping the world.

Someone will always lead. I prefer it to be us.
Posted by jcole4lsu
The Kwisatz Haderach
Member since Nov 2007
31981 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:54 pm to
That you Cheney?
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32659 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:54 pm to
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Economic projection is the matter requisite to maintaining American primacy


That's part of it
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:54 pm to
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Forgive me if I prefer a world driven by American values backed up with military power.


Basically you want to impose our values on others and sovereign lands without their consent.

shite like that is a good reason why the world hates us and why our wars in the Mideast was a colossal failure.

Hell, it caused 9/11.
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 10:56 pm
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:55 pm to
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Because I prefer American values to Russian values or Chinese values shaping the world.

Someone will always lead. I prefer it to be us.

Are you trolling?
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32659 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:57 pm to
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Basically you want to impose our values on others and sovereign lands without their consent.


That's not what I said at all
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32659 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:58 pm to
No
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:58 pm to
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Economic projection is the matter requisite to maintaining American primacy





Posted by MisterSenator
Member since Aug 2013
1285 posts
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:47 am to
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they GREATLY overestimate the ability of the President to control events halfway around the world.


this is most people on nearly all policies b/c of recent presidents,' sometimes unconstitutional, use of executive powers
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138514 posts
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:54 am to
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That's part of it
Part?

Well, whatever "part of it" economics plays, DC nitwits who are running a tab on our kids' credit card are putting that 'part' at substantial risk.
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