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Question about Fossil Fuels

Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:50 pm
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:50 pm
I hate to interrupt this important news day, but this question relative to fossil fuels just popped into my head. It is defensible. You see, I was an English Major and love all things language. I particularly like descriptive language (nouns that paint a picture or the thing in my head without having to add an adjective or other modifier). I can remember the name of my 1st grade neighbor’s 1st cousin, but I forget my own phone number. Further, despite a relatively high IQ, I suck at math and all hard sciences. I think It’s the terminology. I just Don’t really care for the lingo. It doesn’t sound like anything I can picture in my head.

I know we have a bunch of geologists and other Baws in various occupations in the oil and gas industry.

This is about to be the dumbest question ever - but do fossil fuels only come from freaking dinosaurs? I’m chuckling a little at myself, but the last time I took a science class about fossil fuels, dinosaurs were also part of the discussion and way more interesting in my brain bc I could picture in my head what they looked like and the adventures they would have and so forth. We saw pictures of dinosaurs / And then suddenly we had oil wells and we call them freaking fossil fuels, so I was just thinking - dinosaurs make fossils and fossils make fuel.

But now that I’m an actual adult, as opposed to sitting in a classroom with a nun and 20 other 8 year olds who needed to see pictures of dinosaurs to pay attention to shite, I’m assuming that fossil fuels come from other organic material besides freaking dinosaurs. You know. Like basically all life forms from pine trees to ferns to platypus to humans. It doesn’t just have to be a gigantic life form the size of a brontosaurus. It can be anything that turns into dust.

I’m asking this because if living things go thru the circle of life, and then decay, doesn’t everyone from
our great great grandmother to our first Labrador become oil eventually?

ETA: and this IS political bc Fossil Fuels are ALWAYS political. See: eg Iran, and Burisma.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 8:52 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89502 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:56 pm to
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This is about to be the dumbest question ever


Not really, but bad enough.

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do fossil fuels only come from freaking dinosaurs?


No.

Fossil fuels consist of buried organic matter under specific circumstances over periods of time. Think of it as a biochemical battery containing stored sunshine from millions of years ago.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34887 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:56 pm to
Nuclear fusion...Space Elevator...anti-Gravity...and God only knows what other revolutionary power sources are in the pipeline, W. Throw in Molecular Manipulation at Nano levels...and fossil fuels become as obsolete as the PLANTS that formed them.

Back to piling on the Mullahs.
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
15410 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:03 pm to
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Think of it as a biochemical battery containing stored sunshine from millions of years ago.


I love that! Please tell me you teach science to 8 year old girls somewhere!!

Plus. Why exactly do all these AGW weirdos call them “non renewable” resources if it is essentially recycled material that the earth forms after millions of years???
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89502 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:12 pm to
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Please tell me you teach science to 8 year old girls somewhere!!



No, I used to teach operations, force management and military history to field grade Army officers.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 9:17 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89502 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:17 pm to
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Why exactly do all these AGW weirdos call them “non renewable” resources if it is essentially recycled material that the earth forms after millions of years??


Well, because we can't actually "renew" them ourselves and from our perspective, the quantities might be vast, but ultimately finite.

As opposed to wind, solar, geothermal, hydro electric, tidal, gravitational, which are all effectively infinite as long as the planet remains intact, in orbit around the Sun in its current energy state - billions of years.

Technically, nuclear is "non-renewable" as well, as we would eventually run out of radioactive material without some sort of revolutionary discovery (of course a similar discovery could also allow us to manufacture a fossil fuel
equivalent, but I digress).

But nuclear and fossil are the only power sources upon which we can rely to satisfy industrial level demand. The others are merely grid support (or even notional/hypothetical at this point) at this time, although that is improving by the year.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 9:18 pm
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21547 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:17 pm to
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Plus. Why exactly do all these AGW weirdos call them “non renewable” resources if it is essentially recycled material that the earth forms after millions of years???


I guess technically they are renewable if you wait long enough, but realistically we're using them at a much faster rate than they're forming so as far as you, your children, your children's children, and humanity is concerned, they are non renewable.

We should be looking for new technologies because they will not last forever, not because of global warming.
Posted by ScoopAndScore
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2008
11957 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:20 pm to
The earth naturally produces oil and gas, which man has been able to refine into the most powerful and efficient source of energy. That’s all you really need to know. It’s almost like it was designed that way. Hmmmm
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
15410 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:22 pm to
That makes it even better
Posted by thegreatboudini
Member since Oct 2008
6449 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:01 pm to
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We should be looking for new technologies because they will not last forever, not because of global warming.


Just like us hitting peak oil in 2000, right?

Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118736 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:43 pm to
There are biotic and abiotic forms of O&G. Mainstream science subscribes to the biotic form of O&G called fossil fuels with the obvious implication that O&G originated from previous life forms. All life forms, from microorganisms to plants and animals.

The abiotic theory suggests that O&G are produced from inorganic carbonaceous rock, hydrogen, pressure and time. The two main atoms in O&G are carbon and hydrogen. Under the right geologic circumstances these carbon and hydrogen atoms can combine to form the simplest hydrocarbon, methane (I.e., natural gas you use in your house). Abiotic theory has a lot of support because it’s a good explanation to describe the existence of hydrocarbons on other planets and moons in our solar system where life forms do not exist.


To expand further we call crude oil crude because it contains all the constituent molecules from small to large. When you drill a oil well you get everything. Some well produce mostly gas and are called gas wells. Some produce mostly oil and are called oil wells. Usually you get everything. Oil, water and gas.

The smallest hydrocarbon is methane. It has one carbon and 4 hydrogens, CH4.

Next is ethane. It has two carbons and 6 hydrogens, C2H6. We never use ethane as a fuel in our daily lives because it is used to make ethylene which is further used to make polyethylene and other plastics.

The next molecule is propane. It has three carbons. You use propane on your gas grill and it says a liquid at 125 psi and about 80 degrees.

The next molecule is butane and iso-butane. They have four carbons. About 10% of your gasoline during the winter months you put in your car is butane. Once spring rolls around blenders remove the butane because of the high evaporation rate during the hot summer months.

The next molecule is pentane. It has five carbons. This is typically gasoline.

Then hexane or cyclohexane...6 carbon...in gasoline.

Then heptane...7 carbons...in gasoline.

Then octane...8 carbons...in gasoline.

Then nonane and dectane...9 and 10 carbons...in diesel, kerosene and jet fuel.

Then your asphaltics....many carbons...in your roads and tires.

There are many more molecules in crude but that’s just the basics. These molecules are typically separated by their boiling points in refineries through distillation. That’s those big tall columns you see when you pass by a refinery.


Posted by yatesdog38
in your head rent free
Member since Sep 2013
12737 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:48 pm to
Dinosaurs are part of the discussion because they are organic and old and first thought of fossils is usually dinosaurs. It is an easy way to explain to a child because children ask what fossils are then they ask what fuels are about so you get on this weird tangent because kids ask why. are you a child?
Posted by gambit1415
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 1/3/20 at 12:08 am to
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