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re: Putin was allowed to speak on Croatia TV per X? Did not see a post. Interesting if True.

Posted on 3/8/25 at 5:34 pm to
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 5:34 pm to
Slow Flo Pro is a pathological liar and he's content to keep doing it


Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 5:35 pm to
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Slow Flo Pro is a pathological liar

Incorrect.

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and he's content to keep doing it

I bet you won't answer my questions
Posted by The Baker
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 5:37 pm to
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Umm if not for the Bolshevik revolution, the leaders of Russia during the Cold War would not have been in place

True or not?


ah okay nevermind. Europeans who remember soviet leadership during the cold war wont be skiddish now.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 5:40 pm to
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Why would the West/globalists thwart Ukrainian intervention in the EU?

Why would they lie about this and lead on the EU and Ukrainian population?

Why would they then engage in a highly unpopular trade deal with Russia?

Why would they then create a coup, when they already had all the power to do the above without new leadership?

And what does any of this have to do with Zelensky, the guy who ousted the purported puppet installed after this purported coup?




You just lied five times in a row
Posted by ItTakesAThief
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 5:42 pm to
Eastern Europeans are split. There are poor folks who probably miss the old days and don’t like capitalism because they do not think it has really improved their life.

There is probably enough of the population that likes the old ways to create a real problem for those in power if this issue gains traction in Europe. May be some of the reason those in power have pushed immigration and are also almost authoritarian when it comes to dissent and conservatism.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 5:42 pm to
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Ukrainian intervention in the EU?





Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 5:45 pm to
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ah okay nevermind. Europeans who remember soviet leadership during the cold war wont be skiddish now.




So current day Europeans are afraid of Mikhail Gorbachev?


Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 5:46 pm to
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I asked him what the globalist and Western intervention in Georgia in 2008 was to prompt Russian invasion.

The orange revolution (2004)
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In February 2004, an editorial "A Chestnut Revolution" appeared in The Wall Street Journal, the author of which wrote that "Ukraine offers the best chance to build on the Georgian success in popular democracy — as long as the West and the democratic opposition play their cards right".[55] The note also says that the United States has already spent $2 billion to support a "free and independent" Ukraine and it would be better if this money went to support Kuchma's democratic rivals, whose actions are inspired by Georgia and Serbia.[55]

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The runoff election in November 2004, won by Yanukovych, was marred by widespread accusations of election fraud, leading to the Orange Revolution and an order by the Ukrainian Supreme Court to repeat the vote. Yushchenko won the revote 52% to 44%.

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In the two years before the 2004 Ukrainian presidential election, the United States spent $65 million "to aid political organizations in Ukraine, paying to bring opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko to meet U.S. leaders and helping to underwrite exit polls indicating he won a disputed runoff election.

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And what does any of this have to do with Zelensky, the guy who ousted the purported puppet installed after this purported coup?


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He lost re-election to Yanukovych in the 2010 Ukrainian presidential election


Yanukohych wins back power in 2010 and Obama loses his shite because their financing of the 2004 Orange revolution failed.

When was Yanukovych removed from power by the CIA and Obama? 2014.

When was Zelensky elected? 2019.

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In January 2019 Yanukovych was found guilty of high treason and was sentenced to 13 years in prison. Yanukovych’s attorneys appealed the decision, although Yanukovych’s continued exile in Russia meant that it was extremely unlikely that Ukrainian authorities would have the opportunity to carry out the sentence.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 5:47 pm to
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You just lied five times in a row


I'm just asking questions
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 5:48 pm to
Thank you. Typo.

Integration.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 5:49 pm to
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I'm just asking questions




Your questions are based on demonstrable lies


Your "questions" cannot be answered, for that very reason
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 5:50 pm to
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I'm just asking questions

Yes but are they genuine or are you trying to poke holes without offering a definitive statement on your position other than it wasn’t a coup?

I mean, connect the dots. It’s obvious the U.S. has been intricately involved in Ukrainian elections for 20 years and that’s why Putin has invaded these countries.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 5:53 pm to
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The orange revolution (2004)

I asked about Georgia, not Ukraine.

Saakashvili has nothing to do with Zelensky, and using him just muddies any argument about the "globalists" (whatever that is) post-2019.

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Yanukohych wins back power in 2010 and Obama loses his shite because their financing of the 2004 Orange revolution failed.

When was Yanukovych removed from power by the CIA and Obama? 2014.

You skipped a lot. My questions cover this. You failed to answer most of them, especially the ones important to this period.

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When was Zelensky elected? 2019.

Yes, he ousted the person you just claimed replaced Yanukovych after the CIA and Obama placed that replacement in office.

Zelensky ousted the purported "globalist" "puppet". All the arguments about this "coup" die once Z does this in 2019. Or then you have to start pivoting irrationally to then claim how weak the West/Globalists were (because if they were that powerful, Zelensky never wins that race)
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 5:53 pm to
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Your questions are based on demonstrable lies

I framed the question from the "Globalists" or "West" started the war in Ukraine in 2022. You may want to change this argument

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Your "questions" cannot be answered, for that very reason

Posted by The Baker
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 5:55 pm to
They dont want influence from moscow
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 5:57 pm to
the US ran the coup in 2013/14, and SFP's "questions" were all lies based on pretending that was not the case


I feel sorry for this guy. He sits at home every day with debauchery and hatred running through his very bones
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 5:59 pm to
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Yes but are they genuine or are you trying to poke holes without offering a definitive statement on your position other than it wasn’t a coup?


The Russian puppet doing something highly unpopular creating an organic response by the Ukrainian people and government is a logical argument.

I've documented the support of the people (via polls) and government (via votes) from 2013.

And then, I frame the questions from the "West" or "globalists" argument. And yes, holes are poked because the arguments are not solid and require a lot of "trust me bro" and John Barron-level "citations" (aka, random video clips without context or date). I am attacking that argument both from 2013 and 2019 and have for over a year and nobody has refuted it.

The new pivot is to blanketly claim "USAID" randomly, because that's the new NPC buzz word (despite existing for 60+ years prior and almost never coming up prior to February 2015 on here).

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I mean, connect the dots. It’s obvious the U.S. has been intricately involved in Ukrainian elections for 20 years and that’s why Putin has invaded these countries.



Again, within your crazy hypo, I can still respond to OP.

Let's assume you're right and Russia is using "US involvement in Ukraine" to justify 4-5 invasions since 2008. Russia isn't overtaking Ukraine, at this point. They failed. The US and EU are still going to be involved in Ukraine moving forward. Your own argument gives Putin eternal carte blanche to invade whomever he wants, and invalidates the claims he made in OP.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 5:59 pm to



here he is pretending not to know what "globalists" are


Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 5:59 pm to
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You failed to answer most of them, especially the ones important to this period

I skipped your questions because I don’t know what you’re talking about with Ukrainian intervention in the EU.

As for Georgia,

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The note also says that the United States has already spent $2 billion to support a "free and independent" Ukraine and it would be better if this money went to support Kuchma's democratic rivals, whose actions are inspired by Georgia and Serbia.[55]


You skipped this which answers the question

I was pointing out that Saakashvili was elected in 2004, same year the CIA handed the country to the pro-west president
This post was edited on 3/8/25 at 6:00 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 6:00 pm to
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SFP's "questions" were all lies based on pretending that was not the case

Wrong. They were based on that being the case.

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Why would the West/globalists thwart Ukrainian integration in the EU?
Why would they lie about this and lead on the EU and Ukrainian population?
Why would they then engage in a highly unpopular trade deal with Russia?
Why would they then create a coup, when they already had all the power to do the above without new leadership?
And what does any of this have to do with Zelensky, the guy who ousted the purported puppet installed after this purported coup?


You just can't defend the position when you're faced with explaining it outside of the bubble-NPC talking points, and you know you'll look silly trying.
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