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re: Protestant-Only Religious Service at Pentagon

Posted on 4/6/26 at 6:43 pm to
Posted by METAL
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 4/6/26 at 6:43 pm to
You keep saying you’re fine with authority, just not infallible authority, but that’s exactly where your position breaks down.

On the Pharisees, you’re proving my point. Yes, they had real authority, and yes, they could err. But notice what that creates. If the authority that interprets Scripture can err, then disputes about what Scripture means are ultimately unresolved. That’s exactly what you see in Protestantism today. Competing interpretations with no final, binding resolution.

On the canon, you keep repeating “we can be certain without being infallible,” but that doesn’t solve the problem. You’re claiming an infallible rule of faith while admitting your identification of that rule could be wrong. That’s not just a philosophical nuance, that’s a foundational issue. If your canon could be mistaken, then your “infallible authority” could include non-inspired books or exclude inspired ones. That undermines the whole system.

Appealing to “the Spirit” and “abundance of evidence” doesn’t fix that either. Every group claims the Spirit. Every group thinks the evidence is on their side. That’s why you get contradictory doctrines from the same Bible. So again, the method doesn’t produce certainty, it produces fragmentation.

Your John the Baptist analogy still doesn’t land. Recognizing Christ in front of you is not the same thing as identifying, preserving, and binding a universal canon of texts for the entire Church. One is immediate revelation, the other is a historical, ecclesial process. Those aren’t parallel.

On Acts 15, you’re trying to soften what actually happened. The apostles didn’t say, “Here’s our best fallible opinion.” They issued a binding judgment for the whole Church, and explicitly grounded it in authority: “it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us.” That’s not just “real authority,” that’s authority claiming divine guidance.

And here’s the key point you keep sidestepping. You say the Church can err and be corrected by Scripture. But who makes that call? You… Or your tradition… Or your interpretation… That just relocates authority to the individual level, even if you don’t want to say it that way.

At the end of the day, your position still rests on fallible identification of an infallible canon and fallible interpretation of that canon, while denying any infallible authority to resolve disputes. Calling that “certainty” doesn’t actually make it stable, it just makes it subjective.

If you can’t admit as much I guess this is where we part ways. You’ll see the truth one day. FWIW, I used to be in your shoes. Mostly.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
61827 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 6:56 pm to
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Evangelicals are trending very close to not being considered Christians any more. May already be there in some cases.


Define what it means to be a believer. This should be super easy.
Posted by METAL
Member since Nov 2020
2363 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 7:05 pm to
A believer is someone who has faith in Jesus Christ, is baptized, and lives in communion with Him through His Church… Not just intellectual belief, even demons “believe” (James 2:19). Real belief includes obedience, participation in the life Christ established, and perseverance in truth (John 14:15, Matthew 28:19–20).

Christianity has never been “me and my Bible.” From the beginning it was sacramental, communal, and rooted in apostolic teaching (Acts 2:42).

So the real question isn’t just “do you believe,” but what does your belief actually conform to… your own interpretation, or the Church Christ founded?

What it sure is shite isn’t is the belief that the Jews, who outright reject Christ are still the chosen people.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
22989 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 7:07 pm to
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METAL


Not going to jump in now because y'all have a good back and forth going, but you're saying the right things
Posted by METAL
Member since Nov 2020
2363 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 7:10 pm to
By all means. Please pile on. We’re all trying to learn here.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
Cloud 8
Member since Nov 2012
6421 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 7:44 pm to
It’s a bad look and divisive as all get out. How much did Paula White have to do with it?
Posted by soonerinlOUisiana
South of I-10
Member since Aug 2012
1987 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 8:25 pm to
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who says when he is fallible or infallible? oh that's right, he does


Wrong again, jerkoff.

Papal Infallibility

Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
24857 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 8:31 pm to
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Well that is somewhere between extremely disingenuous to bold face lie.


No kidding. That is pure spin.

There is no consecration of the Eucharist on Good Friday, as this day commemorates the crucifixion of Christ. However, Catholics do participate in a solemn service that reflects on Christ’s suffering and death.

The Good Friday service focuses entirely on Christ’s death rather than Christ’s resurrection. This is expressed through the liturgical readings and the veneration of the Cross.

In parishes that have held an all-night prayer vigil, with the tabernacle under constant vigilance, Communion itself may still be distributed. In such cases, the hosts used for Communion were consecrated the previous day, on Holy Thursday, the day of the Last Supper.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
61827 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 9:24 pm to
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A believer is someone who has faith in Jesus Christ, is baptized, and lives in communion with Him through His Church… Not just intellectual belief, even demons “believe” (James 2:19). Real belief includes obedience, participation in the life Christ established, and perseverance in truth (John 14:15, Matthew 28:19–20).

Christianity has never been “me and my Bible.” From the beginning it was sacramental, communal, and rooted in apostolic teaching (Acts 2:42).

So the real question isn’t just “do you believe,” but what does your belief actually conform to… your own interpretation, or the Church Christ founded?

What it sure is shite isn’t is the belief that the Jews, who outright reject Christ are still the chosen people.



So you’re trusting in you saving you.
Posted by METAL
Member since Nov 2020
2363 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 9:29 pm to
That’s certainly one incorrect way of looking at it… but no, I’m trusting in Christ and the Church He established.

Sola scriptura… so you’re your own pope?
This post was edited on 4/6/26 at 9:31 pm
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
15271 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 9:30 pm to
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Define what it means to be a believer. This should be super easy.


Does water baptism save?

watch an evangelical get destroyed in a debate

further destruction

This post was edited on 4/6/26 at 9:34 pm
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
61827 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 9:38 pm to
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Does water baptism save?


Not according to scripture. Only believe. It’s faith, not works. Baptism is what we do once we have believed, but it’s water. Water doesn’t save. Only the blood of Jesus can forgive sins. Just as Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for righteousness, we believe upon Jesus and His righteousness is given to us. You don’t earn it. It’s given you as a free gift. People who think they can please God with their effort and works are self delusional and underestimate any righteousness they have to please God.

The will of God is to believe upon His Son. That’s the ONLY way to be saved. He is the way, the truth, and the life. We aren’t.

Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
15271 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 9:42 pm to
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Mike da Tigah


I know you wont watch the video but that whole train of logic gets destroyed bro
Posted by KingOfTheWorld
South of heaven, west of hell
Member since Oct 2018
7704 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 9:47 pm to
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It is a lie... It is this Protestant Christian Nationalism that is pushed
by some in the admin. No Catholic need apply.


You’re full of shite.

JD Vance is Catholic.
Marco Rubio is Catholic.
RFK, Jr. is Catholic
Sean Duffy is Catholic.
John Ratcliffe is Catholic.
Karoline Leavitt is Catholic.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
61827 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 9:49 pm to
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I know you wont watch the video but that whole train of logic gets destroyed bro


Actually it won’t. It’s scriptural and in context. Neither the jailer nor the thief on the cross were baptized for salvation, and the jailer was baptized only after he first believed and was saved, and yet both were saved by doing what scripture relentlessly tells you you must do to be saved. Believe upon Jesus alone, and you aren’t believing upon Jesus alone when you’re trying to earn it or do works. You receive it by faith in Jesus, and faith is the only way to please God.
This post was edited on 4/6/26 at 9:56 pm
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
15271 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 9:53 pm to
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Neither the jailer nor the thief on the cross were baptized


Baptism by blood is a thing within the Church wont argue that.

quote:

Believe upon Jesus alone, and you aren’t believing upon Jesus alone when you’re trying to earn it or do works. You receive it by faith in Jesus, and faith is the only way to please God.


Completely disregards Church history and scripture.

See video.

Even have Baptists in the comments agreeing with the Catholic apologist.

Matter of fact several mainline Protestant churches also have issues with the Baptist positions, particularly with infant baptisms
This post was edited on 4/6/26 at 9:54 pm
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
61827 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:00 pm to
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Completely disregards Church history and scripture.

See video.

Even have Baptists in the comments agreeing with the Catholic apologist.

Matter of fact several mainline Protestant churches also have issues with the Baptist positions, particularly with infant baptisms
quote:

Baptism by blood is a thing within the Church wont argue that.



You’re trust is in the Roman Church. Mine is in the word of God. That’s the real difference. It’s also why I do not pray to Mary or saints, or light candles before graven images, or many other countless things the RCC does and is completely unscriptural in.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
15271 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:05 pm to
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You’re trust is in the Roman Church. Mine is in the word of God. That’s the real difference.


Yet many of your brother Protestants believe something completely different than you on Baptism (and agree with the Catholic position on it).

Yet somehow on something so basic you guys are the Truth.





This post was edited on 4/6/26 at 10:13 pm
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
61827 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:12 pm to
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Yet many of your brother Protestants believe something completely different than you on Baptism.


If only salvation were majority rule, and yet it’s not. There’s a lot of Protestants who are way off base. It’s not Protestant versus Catholic at play here. It’s only what the Bible teaches us devoid of man’s traditions or made up doctrines.



Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
15271 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:14 pm to
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If only salvation were majority rule, and yet it’s not. There’s a lot of Protestants who are way off base. It’s not Protestant versus Catholic at play here. It’s only what the Bible teaches us devoid of man’s traditions or made up doctrines.



Id love to see you and Foo debate over this

Is there a foo signal?

shite even he believes baptism is a sacrament
This post was edited on 4/6/26 at 10:15 pm
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