Progressives need to admit Trump was right about one thing

Not only are they coming from shithole countries, but they are also the dregs of society from these countries (they are not sending their best, folks).

What in his comment could possibly be construed as racist?

It sucks for the people in those countries that their conditions are the result of ages of corruption and profiteering. That said, the USA doesn't owe them a damn thing other than the right to come here LEGALLY.

Trump could cure cancer and HIV, they'd still say he was Hitler...

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Not only are they coming from shithole countries, but they are also the dregs of society from these countries

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Not necessarily

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(they are not sending their best, folks)

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No one is "sending" anyone.

I don't think you have the faintest concept of how any of this works

Labeling some countries as 'shitholes' involves artificially created hierarchies. It's like saying having electricity is better than not having it. Who can say that the people in the Amazon are not happier without it?
Zach studied post mod all through the 1970s when it was just breaking out.

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The most recent date on your TL;DR list of U.S. involvement is 1925

Forgive me if I don't think that's anything that has any effect on the state of those countries today

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Seriously?


The 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état was a covert operation carried out by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that deposed the democratically elected Guatemalan President Jacobo Árbenz and ended the Guatemalan Revolution of 1944–1954. Code-named Operation PBSUCCESS, it installed the military dictatorship of Carlos Castillo Armas, the first in a series of U.S.-backed authoritarian rulers in Guatemala.

Background Information and the Precipitation of the Contra Conflict

In 1961, the Frente Sandinista de Liberacion Nacional (FSLN) was founded in Havana, Cuba. The development of the FSLN represented the merger of "Carlos Fonseca's Nicaraguan Patriotic Youth organization ... with Tomas Borge's Cuban-supported insurgent group."[2] The FSLN remained a largely unsuccessful and marginal political movement until 1972, when an earthquake rocked the Nicaraguan capital, Managua. The Somoza government, which had assumed control of Nicaragua shortly following the withdrawal of United States military personnel in 1933, was seen to be profiteering from international relief efforts in the immediate aftermath of the earthquake. This led to a dramatic change in the influence and importance of the FSLN as their position within the Nicaraguan public sentiment began a rapid ascension. Between 1972 and 1978, fighting between the FSLN guerrillas and the Nicaraguan National Guard steadily increased. In 1978 "Pedro Joaquin Chamorro, editor of the opposition newspaper La Prensa" was assassinated; this caused widespread protests and an increase of support from the FSLN including "non-Marxist groups."[3] The opposition to the oppressive Somoza government was beginning to come to a head.

The Ouster of Somoza

In February 1979, the United States suspended all foreign aid to Nicaragua due to Somoza's unwillingness to compromise. By July, he had fled the country. FSLN Sandinista forces quickly assumed power in Managua, and the United States quickly moved to recognize the legitimacy of the new government and offer aid, however the FSLN chose instead to look to global Communist interests including the Soviets and Cubans for support. By 1980, the Government of National Recognition (GRN) under Cuban influence had begun installing pro-Marxist, anti-U.S. doctrine into the Nicaraguan educational system.[2] U.S. policy on Nicaragua began to favor support for anti-Sandinista "contras," because most people involved in the U.S. intelligence operations, including Richard Nixon feared that "defeat for the rebels would probably lead to a violent Marxist guerrilla movement in Mexico and in other Central American countries."[4]


The Bay of Pigs Invasion (Spanish: Invasión de Playa Girón or Invasión de Bahía de Cochinos or Batalla de Girón) was a failed military invasion of Cuba undertaken by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)-sponsored paramilitary group Brigade 2506 on 17 April 1961. A counter-revolutionary military group (made up of mostly Cuban exiles who traveled to the United States after Castro's takeover, but also some US military personnel[6]), trained and funded by the CIA, Brigade 2506 fronted the armed wing of the Democratic Revolutionary Front (DRF) and intended to overthrow the increasingly communist government of Fidel Castro. Launched from Guatemala and Nicaragua, the invading force was defeated within three days by the Cuban Revolutionary Armed Forces, under the direct command of Castro.

The coup of 1952 led by General Fulgencio Batista, an ally of the United States, against President Carlos Prio, forced Prio into exile to Miami, Florida. Prio's exile was the reason for the 26th July Movement led by Castro. The movement, which did not succeed until after the Cuban Revolution of 31 December 1958, severed the country's formerly strong links with the US after nationalizing American economic assets (banks, oil refineries, sugar and coffee plantations, along with other American owned businesses).

Under the rule of the Dictator Marcos Perez Jimenez, the Venezuelan economy experienced a boom, born from Venezuela's great oil wealth. During this prosperity, foreign investment, particularly from American oil companies, grew along with the support from the Jimenez Regime. The staunchly anti-communist regime allowed and supported the exploitation of the country's natural resources by the American oil industry, as a portion of the profits made its way from companies like Mobil and Exxon[7] to the personal coffers of Perez Jimenez. For his support of these American companies, he received the Legion of Merit from the U.S. Government in 1954.[8]

At the same time, United States intelligence agencies collaborated with Perez's Seguridad Nacional to silence communists and social-democrat voices in Venezuela. The Seguridad Nacional, headed by Pedro Estrada, disappeared and tortured thousands of Venezuelans, both in its headquarters in Caracas and in a confinement camp on Guasina Island in the jungles of the Orinoco. When Jimenez abandoned the government and the country on January 23, 1958, more than 400 prisoners were found in the basement of the headquarters of the Seguridad Nacional.[9]



What's the character limit on this board again...?

We've been fricking around in countries south of our border since the Monroe Doctrine.

You never learn, do you Zach?

the fact that you have 22 upvotes as I post paints a perfect picture of the rampant stupidity from the right on this board.