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re: Prior to Roe v Wade being overturned I had no idea that abortions were that common.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:09 pm to Antoninus
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:09 pm to Antoninus
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Thank you for confirming the point. Zealotry leads to authoritarianism.
Outlawing murder is not authoritarian in any way. Never will be.
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Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:22 pm to Antoninus
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INCLUDING you and I imposing our minority views regarding "protected class" upon a disagreeing majority.
How is that authoritarian? People who wished to practice non-discrimination could still do so, people who didn't would not. It would involve less government coercion by force, and would be in no way an increase in authoritarianism.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:37 pm to Flats
quote:I see ANY instance of a minority imposing its views upon a disagreeing majority as being "authoritarian" to at least some extent.quote:How is that authoritarian? People who wished to practice non-discrimination could still do so, people who didn't would not. It would involve less government coercion by force, and would be in no way an increase in authoritarianism
INCLUDING you and I imposing our minority views regarding "protected class" upon a disagreeing majority.
You can certainly disagree.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 4:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Im not wanting it banned, I want its participants shamed.
Vapid whores dont really deserve respect.
See this isn't about babies or woman for you. It's about your lack of respect for women and their choices. Keep your life style choices to yourself
Posted on 11/19/23 at 4:06 pm to oklahogjr
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See this isn't about babies or woman for you. It's about your lack of respect for women and their choices. Keep your life style choices to yourself
For me, it's about jailing murderers. Anyone who has an abortion should get face life in prison. Multiple offenders should face the death penalty.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 4:13 pm to imjustafatkid
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For me, it's about jailing murderers. Anyone who has an abortion should get face life in prison. Multiple offenders should face the death penalty.
So for you it's about enforcing your view of when life starts on other people then applying existing laws....gotcha....I disagree but it's atleast a stance not born out of sexism
Posted on 11/19/23 at 4:17 pm to Antoninus
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I see ANY instance of a minority imposing its views upon a disagreeing majority as being "authoritarian" to at least some extent.
So Roe, Obergefell & many other rulings are authoritarian. I don't remember you complaining much about that aspect of Obergefell but maybe I just forgot.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 4:29 pm to oklahogjr
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So for you it's about enforcing your view of when life starts on other people then applying existing laws
Nope. It's about outlawing the direct, intentional killing of a child in the womb.
Abortion: the direct, intentional killing of a child in the womb
Choice: being allowed to decide to directly & intentionally kill a child in the womb
Women's Rights: mothers being allowed to directly & intentionally kill their children in the womb
Reproductive Healthcare: an elective procedure that directly & intentionally kills an already reproduced child in the womb
My Body, My Choice: using your body to directly & intentionally kill a child's body in the womb
Posted on 11/19/23 at 4:30 pm to Tiger BTT
25% of Gen X was aborted.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 4:32 pm to Flats
quote:The Constitution does not care about majority or minority support. It says what it says, until amended. I was discussing legislation and regulation, though I did not make that clear.
Roe, Obergefell & many other rulings are authoritarian. I don't remember you complaining much about that aspect of Obergefell but maybe I just forgot.
Constitutionally, Roe was bad law, and I was glad to see it reversed. Obergefell was (and remains) sound legal analysis.
This post was edited on 11/19/23 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 11/19/23 at 4:33 pm to oklahogjr
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It's about your lack of respect for women and their choices.
What about the ladies in utero getting forceps jammed in their skulls?
Asking for a friend.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 4:34 pm to Flats
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So Roe, Obergefell & many other rulings are authoritarian.
Crazy eh?
Posted on 11/19/23 at 4:38 pm to Tiger BTT
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Performed by a Doctor that took the Hippocratic Oath to Do No Harm.
And the original Oath specifically vowed not to perform abortions
Posted on 11/19/23 at 4:53 pm to alumiknotty
quote:No, it did not.
the original Oath specifically vowed not to perform abortions
Abortion was legal and common in ancient Greece.
It vowed not to use a pessary for abortion, because the pessary was known to be dangerous to the woman’s health. It said nothing about other methods, such as abortifacients.
This post was edited on 11/19/23 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:10 pm to Antoninus
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Abortion was legal and common in ancient Greece.
You forgot to mention that these women had to have their husbands permission to have an abortion.
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A married woman could not openly deliberate whether to have
an abortion without her husband’s consent,
Laura Pepe, Abortions in Ancient Greece...
This post was edited on 11/19/23 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:30 pm to oogabooga68
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So Roe, Obergefell & many other rulings are authoritarian.
It appears "my body, my choice" is a recent selfish movement. Even the ancients understood the reality.
Modern women (and Hank) want it both ways. They want it to be their choice when its in their body, but as soon as it exits, someone else is paying.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:30 pm to Antoninus
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Obergefell was (and remains) sound legal analysis.
So if they wear black robes and you like the decision it’s not authoritarian. Come on, Hank. You either believe the minority forcing its views is authoritarian or you don’t.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:31 pm to BugAC
I was responding to someone saying women should keep their legs closed.
Let’s talk rape though. If your 12 year old daughter was a rape victim, I doubt you would want the government forcing her to give birth. After the baby is born, imagine fighting with her rapist over issues such as custody/visitation/child support. Before you say adoption, note that if the bio father is known, he must consent to the adoption. There is not an easy solution.
Some people can’t empathize unless they are directly affected by the situation.
Let’s talk rape though. If your 12 year old daughter was a rape victim, I doubt you would want the government forcing her to give birth. After the baby is born, imagine fighting with her rapist over issues such as custody/visitation/child support. Before you say adoption, note that if the bio father is known, he must consent to the adoption. There is not an easy solution.
Some people can’t empathize unless they are directly affected by the situation.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:33 pm to Flats
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So if they wear black robes and you like the decision it’s not authoritarian
Hank constantly hides behind the robes, He cannot to save his life offer a personalized opinion.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:33 pm to Flats
quote:Not in a Constitutional Republic. That is grade-school level analysis. The Constitution trumps majority/minority legislative slap fights.
So if they wear black robes and you like the decision it’s not authoritarian. … You either believe the minority forcing its views is authoritarian or you don’t.
This post was edited on 11/19/23 at 5:36 pm
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