You’re confusing that with the high prevalence of divorce, domestic violence, sexual assault, deadbeat dads, and promiscuous women in straight relationships these days. Marriages between moms and dads are failing, and that’s why kids look to alternatives for their relationships.

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Member since Aug 2007

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Posted on 6/2/26 at 12:19 am to sidewalkside

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For a bunch of dudes who hate pride yall sure act like a bunch of drama queens.

I'm not looking to judge or throw stones at anyone for their lifestyle. The Lord knows I've got way too many sinful struggles of my own.

I drink too much. I can lose my patience and fly into a tirade in the slightest amount of traffic. I've struggled with lust and pornography for a great deal of my adult life. I lie, cheat, and steal in a myriad of ways.

I'm not proud of my flesh. I seek forgiveness and deliverance on a daily basis. If I were PROUD of my behavior I would have no desire to change.

The devil has not only convinced these people that they should not be ashamed of sexual immorality but that they should blatantly celebrate it under the guise of an equally deadly sin, Pride. Its gone from "Don't ask don't tell" to "Sing it from the rooftops" so maybe others will join in.

1 Peter 5:8 ESV
[8] Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

When you celebrate and cherish ANY sin you are in the belly of the beast. You just don't know it yet.

The good news is that there is true freedom and peace and acceptance at the foot of the cross! Jesus did not come to save the righteous. He came to save the sinner. Personally, I'm happy to endure this lifelong journey of sanctification with ANYONE who humbly seeks Him!

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Posted by FooManChoo

Member since Dec 2012

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Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:01 am to Rip Torner

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The distinction you made about the “ceremonial and moral” are at no point addressed in the Bible nor is that distinction made by Paul which is the nonsensical argument you are attempting to make.

The distinction is derived from the Bible, like the concept of the Trinity.

The moral law is the foundation of all other laws, and those other laws are typically distinguished as either judicial/civil (relating to the nation of Israel and the government’s care for the people) or ceremonial (those laws specifically given to Israel that govern the sacrificial system and the cleanliness of the nation).

The judicial law only exists while the nation of Israel existed and was ruled by Israelite judges and kings. The ceremonial law was fulfilled in Christ’s death, and you can see that shift with Peter’s vision of the sheet with unclean animals being called “clean”, and with Paul rejecting the laws like circumcision as no longer binding.

There is good reason to make these distinctions.

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You do understand that the 10 Commandments were the foundation for the rest of the Law of Moses in Deuteronomy and Leviticus?

I do. And yet the judicial and ceremonial laws were particular applications of the moral law that are no longer binding. The moral law remains binding.

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You also understand that God created the Law and Jesus’ authority came from God?

God didn’t create the law, but the law reflects His character. If you mean that the law is derived from God, then I would agree, but the law isn’t some arbitrary standard conjured out of thin air.

Jesus’ essential kingship comes from His divine nature, which has nothing to do with the law. His mediatorial kingship is a reward from the Father for His perfect obedience.

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He didn’t magically change what is morally wrong like a middle aged man having a midlife crisis lol

Correct. He fulfilled the law, though. We no longer have a sacrificial system because Jesus was the once-for-all sacrifice. He is what those sacrifices pointed to, and once you arrive at the destination, you have no use for the signs that point you there any longer.

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Jesus did in fact fulfill the Law on the cross, however Jesus spoke about the Law quite often but when it came to sexual immorality he didn’t somehow soften the morality God created.

Sexual immorality is a violation of the 7th commandment, which is rooted in God’s very nature. The 10 commandments do not go away because Jesus obeyed them perfectly, but particular applications of the law are done away with due to His fulfillment. I mentioned those distinctions above.

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He in fact went further than the Law by commenting on our very thoughts or lust which wasn’t condemned under the Law.

He did. I said as much. I’m not sure what you are arguing at this point, as we are in agreement here.

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Paul addresses sexual immorality quite often as well.

Correct again. He does.

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It is true that sin is sin and shouldn’t be condoned but the last time I checked I haven’t heard a politician campaign on adultery, theft, murder, etc. but they do campaign on gay pride, transgender ideology, and victimhood which are diametrically opposed to God’s morality.

Again, amen! Men celebrate wickedness, and such wickedness should be condemned.

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So, while it is true we should condemn all wrongs but only one major party makes obviously sinful behavior the cornerstone of their political agenda

Well sort of. The GOP has embraced homosexuality, or at least doesn’t reject it outright any longer. Trump was very supportive of it previously, and there is no desire to seek to overturn homosexual marriage in the courts by the GOP.

Yes, the Democrats are worse, but the GOP has been moving left on several social issues over the last decade or so.

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