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re: "Price gouging"

Posted on 3/16/20 at 5:51 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 3/16/20 at 5:51 am to
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It is supply and demand
You are assuming legality and nonmanipulated variables.



As with anything there is a spectrum:

• Kidnapping is supply and demand. A child is taken (supply). Her mother is willing to pay anything (demand) to get the little girl back.

• Two Tennessee hillbillies buy up all handsanitizer and masks in the region during a viral outbreak. Their action artificially creates supply shortage and affects a demand panic. They charge buyers 10X normal retail.

• Martin Shkreli found himself in control of obscure but critical drugs. He was the supply. He increased their price 50-fold.

• A toystore anticipates BabyYoda will be a big hit. It pays for a supplier exclusive, then retails the item at 400% wholesale.

• Gold increases in price as investors run from weakening markets and currency.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 3/16/20 at 5:52 am to
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Higher prices absolutely does discourage consumption, but natural disasters and emergencies cause local markets to become very distorted and buyers irrational. I was stuck in line behind a lady buying 70 cans of soup yesterday morning. If each can was $4 instead of $2, she probably switches to alternatives. But in the case of water, she probably has no issue paying 100% more for whatever quantity she thinks she needs. Just like I don’t give a shite if a dozen eggs are .99 or $6/carton, they are in my cart every Saturday morning


No system is perfect but, price always needs to be a component because absent price inhibition, everyone will simply buy more than they really need. Price forces decisions.

I mean. You're still gonna run out of shite. It is what it is. But, when price doesn't change, then, you pretty much better be in the front of the line or you are SOL
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
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Posted on 3/16/20 at 6:26 am to
Why do I get the feeling you're posting from an underground bunker in North Dakota?
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 6:40 am to
Look at the down votes.

This site has gone completely big government—well at least big government if Trump runs it.

I believe most here would support a return of FDR’s national recovery act if Trump proposed it. If Trump thought it would help him in battleground states he would consider it too!
Posted by SavageOrangeJug
Member since Oct 2005
19758 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 6:44 am to
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Are there really that many people who don't understand that the term itself is ridiculous and that the ability to raise prices during a shortage is essential? It appears so. We have truly become a society who thinks with their feels rather than logic.


I'll bet you had a different opinion of people selling cases of water for $100 after Katrina.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 6:48 am to
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I'll bet you had a different opinion of people selling cases of water for $100 after Katrina
the people you are speaking of our people who drove way out of the area and carted it back to New Orleans

if they had to sell it for the normal price they wouldn't have gone and got it in the first place.

So you could have afforded it but it wouldn't have been there

how can you be so stupid as to not understand that?
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 6:55 am to
Uhhh I don’t recall a single instance of that. The government gave away so much ice and water there was no profit in either for months.

Posted by SavageOrangeJug
Member since Oct 2005
19758 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 6:58 am to
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how can you be so stupid as to not understand that?

You are the most economically stupid person I have seen in this forum.

I'm pretty sure the stupidity extends beyond economics.

I'm thinking the "Shorty" must be a reference to your IQ.

"Raise the price so no one can afford it." Imbecile.
Posted by SavageOrangeJug
Member since Oct 2005
19758 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 7:01 am to
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Uhhh I don’t recall a single instance of that. The government gave away so much ice and water there was no profit in either for months.


CRS Report for Congress

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Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
11287 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:21 am to
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These people exist BECAUSE we don't allow what fools call "price gouging"

Basically, the whole point of being able to raise the price when demand goes thru the roof is to prevent buying what more than you really need. In other words, to prevent hoarding.


That only prevents hoarding from people that can't afford it. People with money will still be able to hoard.

Even if these people were not able to hoard because the price was too high, that would just leave product on the shelves because a lot of people would not be able to afford it at all. Allowing price gouging might prevent hoarding, but it would also prevent many from being able to purchase the items. So, the end result would still be many people unable to get needed items. Price gouging is not the solution.

The only way to prevent it is for stores to limit the amount of product sold per person. Even then, you will have the selfish go back multiple times or bring their family so each member gets the limit. But that is still more equitable than pricing out people because they can't afford to overpay 10x the normal value.

The only real solution is for the decent folk to rise up and kill the greedy.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:23 am to
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This site has gone completely big government—well at least big government if Trump runs it.


you truly are an idiot
Posted by tketaco
Sunnyside, Houston
Member since Jan 2010
21730 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:26 am to
This has the same energy as saying fricking a 14 year old isn't the same as pedophilia.

You know that right?
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
11287 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:28 am to
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I tend to agree that in an emergency, you should be able to limit total purchases.

That said, one element missed regarding raising prices is that it tends to greatly reduce buying more than you need.

Even in a ration environment, absent price change, basically everyone buys the max.

Price can discourage such buying. Basically, if I'm there to buy water and I know I only really need 3 cases, but it's still cheap, I'm probably gonna buy 4 or 5. But, if they've spiked a little in price, I probably stick with 3. Or hell, maybe I figure out how to make do with 2.

Bottom line. Price allows MORE PEOPLE to have access to the item because, well...……...a million bucks won't help you if it's out of stock.



OK, I made the mistake of responding to your other post before reading the entire thread. I have no problem with raising the price a little. I don't consider that price gouging. Raising it to absurd levels is where the argument breaks down.
Posted by Putty
Member since Oct 2003
25909 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:29 am to
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Exactly, supply and demand.


In fairness then, your friendly neighborhood grocery should be entitled to take bids on bottled water instead of selling 50 cases to Joe-Bob who plans to mark them up 1000% and sell to his neighbors.
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
42027 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:29 am to
There are some stupid m.f.'s in this thread
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
50338 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:31 am to
raising prices high during a big tourist event is fine

raising prices high during a life-threatening emergency is a criminal act, and for good reason
Posted by Putty
Member since Oct 2003
25909 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:31 am to
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Man With A Plan


Is “the plan” to amass 17,000 bottles of hand sanitizer?
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
50338 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:34 am to
you're an idiot

I'll bet you never been in an ice storm and had hotels tell you their prices went up to $250 a night
Posted by tketaco
Sunnyside, Houston
Member since Jan 2010
21730 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:39 am to
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There are some stupid m.f.'s in this thread



That's the OP and every poster trying to make themselves sound like a discounted Thomas Sowell defending price gouging. There's a even a whole thread created for it but no links just babbling.
Posted by Argonaut
Member since Nov 2015
2059 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 8:40 am to
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Price can discourage such buying. Basically, if I'm there to buy water and I know I only really need 3 cases, but it's still cheap, I'm probably gonna buy 4 or 5. But, if they've spiked a little in price, I probably stick with 3. Or hell, maybe I figure out how to make do with 2.


That simply shifts the commodity to a different economic class. People will still buy more than they need. Purchase limits are far more effective than pricing people out of overbuying.
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