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re: Pre existing conditions
Posted on 5/8/17 at 8:59 am to ApexTiger
Posted on 5/8/17 at 8:59 am to ApexTiger
quote:Im all for it, as long as I can pay for auto insurance after my wreck, homeowners after the fire, and life insurance after my terminal diagnosis.
What is your belief we as a country should do for people with pre-existing conditions?
Do you think insurance companies should be mandated to cover these people?... (after the fact)
Instead of paying high premiums would you be willing to pay a tax dedicated to provide care for citizens with serious illnesses?
Seriously, I dont know how to handle the pre existing conditions, and dont know much about how they were handled prior to the ACA...as long as a person keeps seamless coverage, I dont see how preexisting conditions negatively impact someone.
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Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:00 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
I'm just wondering why you keep pushing a bullshite emotional point
People in America died because of a lack of insurance pre-ACA. Estimates were up to 45,000 of them.
That's not a bullshite emotional point, that's the landscape of health insurance reform.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:01 am to BamaAtl
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:02 am to tigerfoot
quote:
Im all for it, as long as I can pay for auto insurance after my wreck, homeowners after the fire, and life insurance after my terminal diagnosis.
Conveniently left off flood insurance after the flood, which more people here could appreciate.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:04 am to BamaAtl
quote:
People in America died because of a lack of insurance pre-ACA. Estimates were up to 45,000 of them.
People in America die every day. Lack of insurance has never been the cause of death for a single one of them.
Also, your continued stupidity over people "dying in the streets" is the focus here. It's a stupid point that you continue to make because you know your overall point is weak without it.
quote:
That's not a bullshite emotional point, that's the landscape of health insurance reform.
It's a bullshite emotional point mostly because of the way you frame it. That's why you get your arse beat in every single one of these threads. Every one of them.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:05 am to rocket31
I hit downvote a hundred times.
I know it only counts one, but that's how magnificently shitty your post seemed to me.
I know it only counts one, but that's how magnificently shitty your post seemed to me.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:06 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
Lack of insurance has never been the cause of death for a single one of them.
What a gross misunderstanding of the causes of death from chronic disease.
quote:
It's a bullshite emotional point mostly because of the way you frame it.
I prefer to frame it with facts. I'm not sorry that those facts make you uncomfortable.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:07 am to BamaAtl
Stop calling what you are asking for "insurance".
It's not insurance.
It's not insurance.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:08 am to BamaAtl
quote:
What a gross misunderstanding of the causes of death from chronic disease.
They didn't die because they didn't have health insurance.
quote:
I prefer to frame it with facts.
No, you don't, or you wouldn't make points about "kids dying in the streets because their parents were denied."
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:09 am to DisplacedBuckeye
No one ever died since the ACA was passed bro. We are all imortal like the Clintons.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:09 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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They didn't die because they didn't have health insurance.
Again with the lack of knowledge.
So you're saying that not a single person in the US did not receive recommended care because they did not have health insurance, and that not receiving that care didn't lead to the death of a single one of them?
Link.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:12 am to bamarep
What happened to the open market? Or plans across state lines with a website that you could shop for plans across the country?
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:12 am to BamaAtl
quote:
So you're saying that not a single person in the US did not receive recommended care because they did not have health insurance, and that not receiving that care didn't lead to the death of a single one of them?
Nope. I'm saying not a single person in the United States died in the streets because they were denied access to health insurance.
If you disagree, show me one case of that happening. Just one.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:15 am to BamaAtl
quote:
People in America died because of a lack of insurance pre-ACA. Estimates were up to 45,000 of them.
That's not a bullshite emotional point, that's the landscape of health insurance reform.
quote:Here's a fact for you. Even we accept your (likely silly sourced) 45,000... it works out to to a whopping 0.015% of the population.
I prefer to frame it with facts.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:20 am to ApexTiger
Healthcare costs are insanely expensive and totally out of sync with what the average American would be able to afford if they needed to go to the doctor for little more than the common cold or the stomach flu.
Whether that means we need better health insurance or we need to find ways to drive down the costs of health care, I don't know.
Every American should have access to reasonably affordable healthcare. People with pre-existing conditions should not be refused insurance or charged higher premiums. Lifestyle is a "risk factor" for certain diseases but it is not always the ultimate cause. Until doctors can tell the patient "why" they are sick, they can't blame the patient.
I realize there are 500lb morbidly obese people out there with rampant uncontrolled diabetes, but the average American lifestyle in general is far removed from what it should be considered healthy. My dad is 62 and has chewed tobacco every day for over 40 years and drinks about 3 Dr. Pepper's a day, yet he has a resting heart rate of about 55, low blood pressure, and no digestive issues or chronic illnesses. A family friend smoked a cigarettes for the same length of time and died of lung cancer. Some people just get dealt a better hand than others. You don't realize how fallible you are until you do have a medical issue.
Changing insurance providers is one thing, but there's a way that can be found to prevent people from going without insurance and only getting it when they are sick, I'm all for that.
Whether that means we need better health insurance or we need to find ways to drive down the costs of health care, I don't know.
Every American should have access to reasonably affordable healthcare. People with pre-existing conditions should not be refused insurance or charged higher premiums. Lifestyle is a "risk factor" for certain diseases but it is not always the ultimate cause. Until doctors can tell the patient "why" they are sick, they can't blame the patient.
I realize there are 500lb morbidly obese people out there with rampant uncontrolled diabetes, but the average American lifestyle in general is far removed from what it should be considered healthy. My dad is 62 and has chewed tobacco every day for over 40 years and drinks about 3 Dr. Pepper's a day, yet he has a resting heart rate of about 55, low blood pressure, and no digestive issues or chronic illnesses. A family friend smoked a cigarettes for the same length of time and died of lung cancer. Some people just get dealt a better hand than others. You don't realize how fallible you are until you do have a medical issue.
Changing insurance providers is one thing, but there's a way that can be found to prevent people from going without insurance and only getting it when they are sick, I'm all for that.
This post was edited on 5/8/17 at 9:24 am
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:21 am to BamaAtl
quote:Americans have seen the first reduction in life expectancy since ACA was put in place.
prefer to frame it with facts. I'm not sorry that those facts make you uncomfortable.
ACA has caused them to die in the streets.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:21 am to Taxing Authority
The ultimate in failure is thinking that government will ever be swayed by 0.015% of the population that is dead. Dead people don't vote in elections.
So if you think the insurance industry doesn't care for those people -- just wait until you see how much government "cares" about such slim minorities of the population.
So if you think the insurance industry doesn't care for those people -- just wait until you see how much government "cares" about such slim minorities of the population.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:21 am to DisplacedBuckeye
He's talking about the horrors of people being denied coverage, even as the law he supports has to force Americans under penalty of law to buy coverage.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:23 am to tigerfoot
quote:The dirty little secret: this helps shore up Social Security. How anyone is comfortable with government (with $20T in debt) in this business is puzzling at best.
Americans have seen the first reduction in life expectancy since ACA was put in place.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:24 am to Vacherie Saint
BamaAtl likes to pretend she cares more than the rest of us. I say that's complete bullshite.
She cares about this for one reason: money. She understands this well enough to know that it will continue to drive up costs, which will increase her already over-inflated salary. I'm sure she would be more than willing to take a salary hit to make sure a few more people could afford their healthcare, but she likes money too much for that.
She's a fraud hiding behind the emotions of the igorant to make more money. The thing is, I'd respect her more if she were just honest about that.
She cares about this for one reason: money. She understands this well enough to know that it will continue to drive up costs, which will increase her already over-inflated salary. I'm sure she would be more than willing to take a salary hit to make sure a few more people could afford their healthcare, but she likes money too much for that.
She's a fraud hiding behind the emotions of the igorant to make more money. The thing is, I'd respect her more if she were just honest about that.
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