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re: Powerful forces all lining up to stop St. George
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:51 am to LSURussian
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:51 am to LSURussian
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What midstream? What papers have been filed on the incorporation of SG?
In this case, why would the law be retroactive?
I am uncomfortable here because I do not have a "side" on this. But, I am curious about the issue. Why do they want to make a retroactive law? In nearly every case, I am opposed to THAT.
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:55 am to LSURussian
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What midstream? What papers have been filed on the incorporation of SG?
Don't be silly, a petition has been put together and voters in the proposed SG are signing it daily. You know that.
Unfortunately a legislator wants to stop the people's right to petition retroactive to January first of this year. And you don't think that's changing the rules in midstream???
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Why are you against hearing from the will of the people affected by a SG incorporation? Are you that autocratic and anti-democracy?
The right of people to incorporate is written into the law. It doesn't give "outsiders" the right to veto their wishes.
The law was written in 1898 and numerous cities were formed this way. Now that some of the big money, big govt. types don't like it; they are trying to change the rules in midstream. I see you are one of them.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:55 am to doubleb
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since EBR is so worried about the huge loss of tax money, it seems they are the ones who want to enjoy the perks without paying for it
This
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:59 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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In this case, why would the law be retroactive? I am uncomfortable here because I do not have a "side" on this. But, I am curious about the issue. Why do they want to make a retroactive law? In nearly every case, I am opposed to THAT.
Thank you sir for having an open mind. Others here do not, it's about doing whatever it takes to stop a vote. Obviously starting a moratorium on January 1, 2014 would be going back in time.
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Sen. Ben Nevers’ Senate Bill 674 would set a two-year moratorium, from January 2014 through December 2015, on the incorporation of new cities.
Nevers, D-Bogalusa, said his bill would allow legislators time to evaluate the state law that sets the path to incorporation and determine whether any changes are necessary.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:08 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:To 1/1/14??? It's pretty common making laws retroactive to the first of the year when the year is still young. I'm not sure what you mean by that.
In this case, why would the law be retroactive?
In any case, Nevers was quoted in the paper saying his bill would not impact the SG effort. Lionel Rainey says it does. One of them is lying.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:11 am to doubleb
quote:So.....none. Okay, got it.
Don't be silly,
quote:Residents of the same parish who would be affected are not "outsiders." You're being a dictator.
It doesn't give "outsiders" the right to veto their wishes.
quote:What midstream?
they are trying to change the rules in midstream
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:13 am to LSURussian
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People can go read the law themselves. It is pretty clear to me.
if a vote is not taken prior to Jan. 1 2014, no vote can be held until the moratorium expires on Jan. 1, 2016.
This comment is ridiculous.
You read the law and tell me who is lying.
People can go read the law themselves. It is pretty clear to me.
if a vote is not taken prior to Jan. 1 2014, no vote can be held until the moratorium expires on Jan. 1, 2016.
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To 1/1/14??? It's pretty common making laws retroactive to the first of the year when the year is still young. I'm not sure what you mean by that.
This comment is ridiculous.
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In any case, Nevers was quoted in the paper saying his bill would not impact the SG effort. Lionel Rainey says it does. One of them is lying.
You read the law and tell me who is lying.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:16 am to LSURussian
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To 1/1/14??? It's pretty common making laws retroactive
Is it? I find that odd and am opposed to it
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to the first of the year when the year is still young.
Young?
It is MID APRIL. What constitutes "young" in these instances? 1st Quarter? Mid year?
Just seems weird. Make a new law...go into effect at time of signing or FUTURE beyond that.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:21 am to LSURussian
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So.....none. Okay, got it.
Very few laws are retroactive.I don't know the percentage, but I suspect it's less than 1%.
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Residents of the same parish who would be affected are not "outsiders." You're being a dictator
I didn't vote on the CATS tax because I wasn't going to be taxed. I didn't vote on the Central incorporation because I didn't reside in Central. I don't vote on every issue that may affect me, I just vote in elections as the law provides.
I didn't vote on the councilman in your district even though his actions affect me. I didn't vote on the CATS tax even though that impacts me. C
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What midstream?
The process began when SG people began their petition just as the law provides. Once that started changed the laws is obviously changing the rules in midstream whether you acknowledge it or not.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:25 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:Yes, mainly on fiscal issues. Tax laws are commonly made retroactive to the first day of the current tax year.
Is it?
quote:It was around mid-March when Nevers first mentioned his bill. So...po-tay-to, po-tah-to.
It is MID APRIL.
In addition bills are ofter made effective as of their introduction date, not their passing date. This keeps someone from hurrying to take advantage of an old or non-existent law before the new law becomes effective.
You realize doubleb is all atwitter over something that hasn't happened yet, right? My guess is Jindal would veto Nevers bill even if it passes.
Besides, Bodi is now supporting a couple of education bills that he says would accomplish the goals of the SG supporters without there being a need for a new school district.
So, as Joey Tribiani said, "it's a moo point."
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:27 am to doubleb
Do you remember when I first posted on here months ago that SG would not be allowed to happen if it meant walking away with the sales tax money from the Bluebonnet retail district?
Do you believe me now?
Do you believe me now?
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:29 am to Rex
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I'm a resident of St. George and I oppose incorporation. It's chicken shite greed. It's wanting to enjoy the benefits of Baton Rouge... its jobs, its collegiate opportunities, its infrastructure, etc... without having to pay for it.
Yep - exactly what it is.
Not as bad as suburbs like Metairie or Kenner though that leech off of New Orleans for their incomes and take the money home and spend and pay taxes in JP. It's so bad that the state has to pay the commuting costs of people in Gretna, with the expiration of the tolls.
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 11:33 am
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:33 am to LSURussian
Do you just make this stuff up or what?
Try passing a tax and getting me to pay it retroactively.
So now when a legislator mentions a law then the law takes affect or what????
I hope everyone here realizes how the heavy hand of govt. is being used to stop the SG petition. Getting allies in Bogalusa (where btw, they have their own school district) to help them as well as allies from other areas tells me just how big of a deal it is for the people who want the status quo in EBR Parish.
I wonder what Kip and his people are going to do to help the guy from Bogalusa? This Nevers character didn't just do this for his health you know.
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Tax laws are commonly made retroactive to the first day of the current tax year.
Try passing a tax and getting me to pay it retroactively.
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It was around mid-March when Nevers first mentioned his bill.
So now when a legislator mentions a law then the law takes affect or what????
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In addition bills are often[quote]
Do you have a few past examples of this "maneuver" to enlighten us with?
[quote]You realize doubleb is all atwitter over something that hasn't happened yet, right? My guess is Jindal would veto Nevers bill even if it passes.
I hope everyone here realizes how the heavy hand of govt. is being used to stop the SG petition. Getting allies in Bogalusa (where btw, they have their own school district) to help them as well as allies from other areas tells me just how big of a deal it is for the people who want the status quo in EBR Parish.
I wonder what Kip and his people are going to do to help the guy from Bogalusa? This Nevers character didn't just do this for his health you know.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:35 am to Overbrook
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Yep - exactly what it is. Not as bad as suburbs like Metairie or Kenner though that leech off of New Orleans for their incomes and take the money home and spend and pay taxes in JP. It's so bad that the state has to pay the commuting costs of people in Gretna, with the expiration of the tolls
Do you believe only those that live in Orleans Parish should be able to work in New Orleans?
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:35 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
Can someone tell us "foreigners" the answer to this...
Baton Rouge has had every single opportunity for many years to do right by St George, but has chosen not to...so St George requests to incorporate itself because it is unhappy with how BR neglects certain government duties (or how they are done), but yet still uses St Georges taxes.
Of course, the St George area is ripe with $$ because of the private businesses that have open in the area, attracting affluent residents who wanted out of the city are of BR because of the city's horrible government actions which have people begging to get out of town.
So why is it a bad thing for those residents to want to create their own "city" and incorporate?
And another question that I have, how far away from BR would a city have to be for them to be "allowed" to incorporate? 1 mile, 5 miles, 20 miles?
Also, the "greedy" comment by Rex is as always, bizzare! What are they being greedy over? How is it then not greed for BR to want them to stay put? You see Rex, for someone to be greedy, there has to be an object of greed? SO you tell us, why is the city being greedy over wanting to keep that same object?
Baton Rouge has had every single opportunity for many years to do right by St George, but has chosen not to...so St George requests to incorporate itself because it is unhappy with how BR neglects certain government duties (or how they are done), but yet still uses St Georges taxes.
Of course, the St George area is ripe with $$ because of the private businesses that have open in the area, attracting affluent residents who wanted out of the city are of BR because of the city's horrible government actions which have people begging to get out of town.
So why is it a bad thing for those residents to want to create their own "city" and incorporate?
And another question that I have, how far away from BR would a city have to be for them to be "allowed" to incorporate? 1 mile, 5 miles, 20 miles?
Also, the "greedy" comment by Rex is as always, bizzare! What are they being greedy over? How is it then not greed for BR to want them to stay put? You see Rex, for someone to be greedy, there has to be an object of greed? SO you tell us, why is the city being greedy over wanting to keep that same object?
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 11:44 am
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:40 am to LSURussian
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Do you remember when I first posted on here months ago that SG would not be allowed to happen if it meant walking away with the sales tax money from the Bluebonnet retail district? Do you believe me now?
I never felt that city hall would just let SGeans go quietly. I didn't need your "warnings" to tell me that.
Baton Rouge has had numerous opportunities to do the right thing by SG. It didn't help them get their own school district. The pols shot down parish wide policing. No new areas were incorporated to let BRFD and BRPD have control.
They just created ways to siphon money downtown through taxes, or through projects designed to help downtown. This day has been coming for a long time.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:41 am to doubleb
quote:You're the one out of touch with reality.
Do you just make this stuff up or what?
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Tax laws are commonly made retroactive to the first day of the current tax year.
Try passing a tax and getting me to pay it retroactively.
There is a debate right now on restoring the Section 179 tax provisions retroactive to 1/1/14 after they expired on 12/31/13.
Not long ago (within the last 4 or 5 years) the actual tax rates were changed in the middle of a tax year made retroactive to the first of that tax year. You don't remember that? Did you refuse to pay your taxes for that year, tough guy???
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:42 am to doubleb
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Baton Rouge has had numerous opportunities to do the right thing by SG. It didn't help them get their own school district. The pols shot down parish wide policing. No new areas were incorporated to let BRFD and BRPD have control.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:43 am to LSURussian
If SG exercises their right to petition, and a vote is held, I know who will be crying then.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:45 am to LSURussian
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You're the one out of touch with reality. There is a debate right now on restoring the Section 179 tax provisions retroactive to 1/1/14 after they expired on 12/31/13. Not long ago (within the last 4 or 5 years) the actual tax rates were changed in the middle of a tax year made retroactive to the first of that tax year. You don't remember that? Did you refuse to pay your taxes for that year, tough guy???
You have links to all these retroactive tax laws or did you just make all that up too?
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