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re: Pope tells kids in Singapore all religions lead to God

Posted on 9/14/24 at 3:41 pm to
Posted by tigerlife00
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 9/14/24 at 3:41 pm to
Jesus disagrees.

John 14:6…I am the way, the truth and the light.No man comes to the father except through me.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46014 posts
Posted on 9/14/24 at 5:24 pm to
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From the earliest days of the Church, the faithful Christians believed in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
Error has existed from the earliest days. Paul was condemning error early on even in his epistles. The real presence is not what Jesus taught just like Jesus did not teach that He is a literal gate, a literal vine, or literal water. He also didn't have the occupation as a literal shepherd, and yet he referred to Himself in such ways for our sake. Likewise, He gave us a physical sign in the bread and the wine to show us that He really did die with a real human body that shed blood. It is a sign and a seal of our faith in His atoning work on the cross. Rome has made it into a magic act.

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Jesus Himself warned us that if we do not eat his Flesh, we "have no life" in us.
I eat of His flesh by faith. BTW, I've exegeted John 6 multiple times for you and to my knowledge, you haven't responded. The context of Jesus' words about eating His body is the miracle of feeding the 5,000. Many people witnessed food multiple in front of their eyes and wanted more of it and Jesus redirected their hunger from their stomachs to their minds and hearts, telling them to come to Him and believe in Him. He said as much in verse 35 when He said, "I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst." The context is not merely partaking in the Eucharist which none of those people would have any knowledge of anyway (He didn't set apart the bread and wine until the last supper), but He pointed them to Himself by faith, as He consistently did.

You make the mistake of looking at the sign instead of the thing signified.

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From the earliest days of the Church, the faithful believed the Word of God when James warned us that faith without an active Christian life of acting out our Faith in good deeds is the wrong path.
James warned that a claim of faith (2:14) that is not evidenced by good works is a dead faith. He wasn't saying that a saving faith by itself doesn't receive the benefits of Christ's meritorious work on our behalf. That's where Rome goes wrong. They see James and think he is pitting faith and works and he clearly isn't. He was saying what Paul, Jesus, Peter and the rest of the NT authors establish: that you can tell a good tree (one who possesses a saving faith) by its fruit (good works).

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You are on the Path to God, but, you took a detour. The Roman Catholic Church stands ready to take you in and put you back on the right Path to God.
The Roman Catholic church has had its lampstand removed a long time ago. I would never want to be joined with a "church" that adds to what Christ has done for sinners. That is a false gospel and I don't want to have anything to do with it. It is Christ and Christ alone that saves. Not the Church, not the Pope, not Mary and the Saints, and not myself through my own filthy and sinful good works.

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All religions offer a Path to God. Some of them are the wrong path. Other religions are just a sort of detour from the Right Path.
That's an interesting way to put it. I prefer what Christ said: He is the way, the truth, and the life, and no one comes to the Father except through Him. Islam rejects Jesus as the son of God who died on the cross for sinners. Hindus know nothing of Jesus. Catholics teach that receiving Christ's meritorious work by faith alone is insufficient.

All of these false religions focus on what man can do to save himself. Only true, biblical Christianity offers the truth that man cannot contribute anything to his own salvation except his need for it, and that it is only the grace of God alone through the saving work of Christ on the cross that can save anyone.

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I hope you figure it out in time. Faith in John Calvin's personal view of religion is the wrong path.
I've said it before but I'll say it again as I hope you pay attention this time: I do not trust in John Calvin. I do not trust in Martin Luther. I do not trust in anyone but Jesus Christ for my salvation.

Those men did not create their own religion. They pointed out the truth from the Scriptures that Rome had kept hidden and/or rejected for centuries. They went back to the Bible as their sole infallible rule for faith and life and in doing so, they saw what God had revealed in the Scriptures and taught those things to others. I see the same things that Calvin saw in the Bible. I see Paul teaching that man is saved by faith apart from works. I see Christ alone as the source of salvation. I see that only the very word of God is God-breathed, and therefore I put my trust in God and His Son, Jesus Christ.

I hope the Lord opens your eyes in time.
Posted by biscuitsngravy
Tejas, north America
Member since Jan 2011
3780 posts
Posted on 9/14/24 at 5:48 pm to
Truth.... Jesus message was: the kingdom poured out, the law written on the heart, whoa to Pharisees etc, caring for the least and the lost, the widow, the story of the good Samaritan. He was about ending dogma, opening the faith to all, god is love, unimaginable grace.

The Pope is right.
Posted by RebRxV
Member since Oct 2022
481 posts
Posted on 9/14/24 at 7:32 pm to
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Being atheist is so much less stressful.

Heh. For NOW...
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16095 posts
Posted on 9/14/24 at 8:13 pm to
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Yes, people went to Heaven. They were saved the same way Christians today are saved: by trusting in the promise of God of salvation through a redeemer as God revealed to Adam and Eve.


Sooo… what Was the need for a “savior”?
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46014 posts
Posted on 9/14/24 at 8:37 pm to
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Sooo… what Was the need for a “savior”?
Sin. Man disobeyed a holy God and deserved to die, both physically and spiritually. A savior was needed to pay the debt we owe to God for our sins and so Jesus, as God, became a man to pay that debt.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16095 posts
Posted on 9/15/24 at 10:07 am to
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Sin. Man disobeyed a holy God and deserved to die, both physically and spiritually. A savior was needed to pay the debt we owe to God for our sins and so Jesus, as God, became a man to pay that debt.


Paraphrasing here-
So an extraordinary amount of sin was happening and god decided that he needed to deliver a person (Jesus) who is his son who would tell people about the perils of their sin, and proclaim that all that they thought up to THIS point about getting to heaven, is now changed and it is only through me (Jesus), and belief that I am the savior, that too can now get to heaven.

In the day after Jesus death and resurrection, how does the deaf, blind person in Peru get to heaven? Or Singapore or other remote area of the world?

I think there has to be some context here. Perhaps Jesus was talking about the people of the region when he proclaimed himself as THE way to heaven.

And when it comes to the Catholic Church- there certainly is dogma about the church being the only Christian religion through which salvation can occur.

This post was edited on 9/15/24 at 11:31 am
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46014 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:24 am to
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Paraphrasing here-
So an extraordinary amount of sin was happening
Any amount of sin against a holy and perfect God is an “extraordinary amount”. Adam and all his posterity in him was guilty for the one sin of disobedience in the garden of Eden.

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and god decided that he needed to deliver a person (Jesus) who is his son who would tell people about the perils of their sin, and proclaim that all that they thought up to THIS point about getting to heaven, is now changed and it is only through me (Jesus), and belief that I am the savior, that too can now get to heaven.
No. God promised a messiah from the very beginning after sin entered the world. Genesis 3:15 was the first promise of such a messiah and the shedding of blood to cover sin was typified by the covering of Adam’s and Eve’s nakedness with animal skins in verse 21. The types and shadows of the remission of sin by God were all throughout the Old Testament and the prophets were preparing the people of Israel for the coming of this messiah and the need for repentance.

The New Testament clearly demonstrates that the people in the Old Testament were saved by faith in God’s promises of redemption the same way the people of the New Testament were saved. They just had less knowledge about exactly how that would come about.

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In the day after Jesus death and resurrection, how does the deaf, blind person in Peru get to heaven? Or Singapore or other remote area of the world?
The day after? Salvation came by the work of Christ received by faith. They would not have known that salvation in Peru at the time, which is why Jesus sent His disciples out as evangelists to preach the gospel throughout the world, so that all who heard the message and received it by faith would be saved. Even the promises of salvation from the Old Testament were not proclaimed to the Egyptians, Chinese, or Peruvians.

The question you seem to want to ask here is whether or not God is fair in limiting message of salvation to a certain group of people in a certain geographical location in a certain time in history. Given that all are guilty of sin before God and no one deserves to have their sins pardoned/forgiven, I would say that fairness would dictate that God should not offer salvation to anyone at all. The king is not obligated to pardon any criminal.

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I think there has to be some context here. Perhaps Jesus was talking about the people of the region when he proclaimed himself as THE way to heaven.
The context is that the world is full of sinners who reject God and seek to make gods of their own to worship instead of the one, true God. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and deserve everlasting judgment for our cosmic treason against the king of all creation.

Jesus said that no one comes to the Father (meaning salvation) except through Him. It is a very exclusive message.

Jesus also said that God so loved the world that He gave His only son for salvation. He wasn’t speaking of Israel only, but the whole earth that would eventually hear this message. It’s also why He sent His disciples throughout the known world to be His witnesses and preach the good news of salvation, because salvation came first to the Jews and then to the Gentiles (everyone else) through Jesus the Christ.
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