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Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:44 am to monsterballads
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all i'm saying is it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what phil was implying. and I would guarantee you he would have zero problems clarifying it to anyone who asked him.
Well when that happens, and his specification is as clear and open as you suggest it will be, come back and post it and I'll agree it is stupid.
Until then, I won't make the leap of logic and context you have based on "but he's a fundamentalist Christian."
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:45 am to monsterballads
If he advocates a "kill-or-convert" policy towards all non-Christians, then frick him. That's just an incredibly extremist point of view, and I wouldn't accuse anyone of that mindset without any actual evidence. You'd have to pretty freaking prejudiced to hear these comments, and then jump all the way to that extreme.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:46 am to ChewyDante
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leap of logic
it's not a leap at all. phil is saying for ISIS to convert (to his religion, since it's the right one) or the US military should destroy them.
it's not a leap.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:46 am to monsterballads
quote:I'm an American.
how are ISIS a threat to you?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:47 am to genro
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That's just an incredibly extremist point of view
maybe you don't know what phil robertson believes, but his views are fringe and very extremist.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:48 am to monsterballads
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phil doesn't want to kill them though. he wants to US military to kill them.
That is completely irrelevant to anything in my post. Phil Robertson wants US military action against ISIS for their actions. How controversial!
It's only controversial if one assumes your sensational interpretation, which I've made quite clear I don't.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:48 am to genro
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"I'd much rather have a Bible study with all of them and show them the error of their ways and point them to Jesus Christ," Robertson said.
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Robertson had a Bible with him on the set and quoted scripture throughout in the interview. However, it's not clear which passage he may have been referring to with his call for conversion or death.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:49 am to monsterballads
quote:Again I don't know much about Phil except he peacefully disagrees with homosexuality and it pissed a bunch of people off.
maybe you don't know what phil robertson believes, but his views are fringe and very extremist.
Just based on this thread I would say his views, while not totally corporate mainstream, are not that extreme and fringe, but people like you misconstrue them based on their own biases.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:50 am to genro
the thing is, ISIS was forcing people to "convert" to islam or be killed. that's what he is referencing.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:51 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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but its not like he said Christianity was their only option. I dont see how he can be criticized for that.
He didn't say it, but I do think that is what he meant.
At some point, we should all recognize that Phil Robertson isn't exactly an intellectual heavyweight and FNC should stop giving him a platform to spew his nonsense.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:52 am to TK421
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He didn't say it, but I do think that is what he meant.
while holding a bible and reading scriptures from it
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Roberston quoted several Bible passages to support his strategy. “Worldwide, planet-wide, Biblically speaking, [there are] two groups of people – the children of God and the whole world is under the control of the evil one,” he said. “That’s 1 John 5:19. Ephesians 2 says: The evil one works in those who are disobedient. Galatians 3: They are prisoners of sin. Second Timothy 2: The Bible says they’ve been taken captive by Satan to do his will.”
Quoting Proverbs 8:36, Robertson stated on behalf of God that “those who fail to find me harm themselves; all who hate me love death.”
Then, Robertson arrived at the most controversial part of the interview, saying of the Islamic State: “You either have to convert them, which I think will be next to impossible. I’m not giving up on them but I’m just saying, either convert them or kill them.”
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at least he has a strategy right?
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 10:59 am
Posted on 9/3/14 at 10:58 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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You are literally no different than a dumb arse.
Let me help:
A radical Islamic fundamentalist wants to kill innocent people. PR wants to kill the people killing innocent people.
Read the previous group of sentences 6 tims slowly. Don't hesitate to ask any questions that may arise.
im actually quite intelligent.
"Convert or die."
hmmm says the exact same thing in the later part of the Koran and is exactly what fundamental islam uses to excuse conversion by the sword.
its fricking hilarious you people on here claiming to be Christian or defending this fake man's hypocrisy forgot about...
'turn the other cheek'
Jesus didnt say, 'well frick it, I give up, I guess kill all those motherfrickers'
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:01 am to Cruiserhog
everyone should watch this hannity interview
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:09 am to monsterballads
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t's not a leap at all. phil is saying for ISIS to convert (to his religion, since it's the right one) or the US military should destroy them. it's not a leap.
Yes it is. It is your interpretation of what he said, even though you've admitted the language used can be interpreted another way. I've illustrated why the context indicates a differ interpretation and that your interpretation, being the more sensational and parting from the context, would necessitate exact language.
Yet you proclaim with certainty his meaning by your interpretation. I'm done going in circles with you. You are clearly biased and dishonest.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:17 am to ChewyDante
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Appearing on Fox News on Tuesday evening, the reality television personality quoted several verses from the Bible and asked why ISIL harbors hatred for the U.S. even as the military has increasingly withdrawn from the region.
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“You either have to convert them — which I think would be next to impossible. I’m not giving up on them, but I’m just saying, either convert them or kill them,” Robertson responded, likening ISIL militants to “street thugs on steroids.”
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:18 am to Lsut81
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It should simply be "Stop what you are doing or die".
Because of their religious beliefs, they would rather die than stop what they are doing.
Therefore, he believes they need to be converted away from their religious beliefs or die.
"Stop what you are doing or die" and "convert or die" mean pretty much the same thing in this instance. His wording was poor, especially given the political climate in America where no one is given the benefit of the doubt and true understanding of your "opponent" is rarely if ever sought.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:19 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
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As I neither Muslim nor Christian, I will lose either way.
Because, of course, it's always all about you.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:24 am to cwill
I guess they want him to spell it out for them. Watch the interview.
It's blatantly obvious he's talking about converting to Christianity
It's blatantly obvious he's talking about converting to Christianity
Posted on 9/3/14 at 11:26 am to uway
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Therefore, he believes they need to be converted away from their religious beliefs or die.
That's spinning it. He's implying converting to Christ or being killed. I'm guessing he's not going to do the dirty work but is all for sending our boys out there to kill them.
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