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re: Pentagon blames Afghan army in closed House briefing: 'You can't buy willpower'

Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:02 am to
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:02 am to
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Irons Puppet


You are not going to earn a lot of credibility by touting your experience in FORSCOM staff here.

I served in one of the most arse backwards headquarters elements in the Army (XVIII Airborne Corps) and even they weren't as ate the frick up as FORSCOM.

Wolfhound45 is a retired Colonel. Not just a Colonel, a post-Brigade Command Colonel.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:34 am to
Never said I Was at NGB, but I was a FORSCOM and saw it first hand. I knew people at NGB who confirmed it. I knew people who were part of the ETTs and they couldn't figure out what the long term plan was. It was fricked up from the beginning and the only people who defend it are the DOD Apologist. I have worked Joint assignments as a Staff Officer and as an operational officer. I graduated CGSC and Joint Staff College, so save your sanctimonious "I was there" BS . I would have more respect for you if you just admitted it was fricked up.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 12:49 am
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:34 am to
Then he might have been part of the problem. FORSCOM is fricked up, but they had a lot of company. Also have you ever seen a BDE commander who was fricked up?
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 12:50 am
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
126509 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 7:02 am to
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I graduated CGSC and Joint Staff College…
That’s nice.



Resident.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:50 am to
That is real nice. . My understanding a lot of great golf courses around Carlisle. A lot of the 20 years of War are the result of some of the geniuses that institution produced. The Plunger Effect., shitty leaders being pulled up the pluming of the Pentagon along with their like thinkers. When they are finally extracted, the like thinkers remain and the problems continue.

From the BS you posted, amazing you didn't make GO. Seems to be the type of leadership we are getting today. I guess you must have argued on who your favorite team was with Gen Milley. I bet you have been studying the CRT so you can asked to be recalled to AD.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 9:08 am
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
126509 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:10 am to
Got your feelings hurt pretty bad. You going to report that?

Tell you what, you have probably had the distinct honor of administering the oath or enlistment and/or re-enlistment to enlisted personnel. It is a duty that we should all treasure as officers (hopefully you have memorized it and do not read it from a card).

Part of that oath is “…support and defend the Constitution of the United States…”

Question - where is the Army mentioned in the Constitution?

Reflect deeper MAJ/LTC. Demonstrate that you are truly a military professional and want to understand the nature of the problem. There is more to this issue than your narrowly constructed slurs against the National Guard and their contributions to this conflict.

Also, if you want some graduate work, read “On Strategy: The Vietnam War in Context” by Harry G. Summers, Jr. You will find your answers there.

Bonus. Might want to research what many of the general officers that led us through World War II were doing prior to the onset of the conflict. What their duty assignments were. Recommend you start with George C. Marshall.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
85135 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:12 am to
Bing fricking O.

The guy has no clue.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
126509 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:18 am to
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The guy has no clue.
His reputation from tSECRant is well earned.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
85135 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:18 am to
Shocker.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
162932 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:32 am to
Posted by Chazreinhold
Utah
Member since Oct 2020
7243 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:41 am to
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Did they not see what happened in Iraq when ISIS rose to power?


Bushes Started it. Jug Ears lost Iraq, Orang Man had to clean up the mess. Biden F'ing it up again just like Obama did.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:42 am to
Why would that hurt my feelings. I just expressed what I have witnessed for the last 20 years.

You bring up "support and defend the Constitution" which is a great "attention and turn to the flagpole" statement when anyone in the military can not defend the behavior of the organization. Nothing in the Constitution on sacrificing the best that this country has to offer (18-27 year old) to build and prop up another country, so that we can test the theories produced in the classrooms of places like Carlisle. The War on Terrorism was over 2 years after 9/11, yet here we are. I have also seen the results of these twenty years on places like Huntsville. So save it for those "enlisted personnel" you swore in, they might buy your comments.

You have a hard time distinguishing individuals within an organization and the organization as a whole. Members of the National Guard are really some of the best the military has to offer. The problem is the leadership and the leadership within the Pentagon.

I am familiar with the History of Marshall. I also know an instructor who also taught there. That was a different world and different leaders. Of course you want to think they are the product of the institution and you think that legacy continues.

If you want to do some reading, start here: LINK

I know you will ignore what is written, but it is a good reflection of our times.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 9:44 am
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
162932 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:44 am to
Spread this truth far and wide

Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
126509 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:51 am to
Yeah, I thought you would have no interest in actually testing your theories. Your myopic version of reality. And Soldiers will suffer for it.

Twenty years? Nice. I had already served twenty before you even put on a uniform. And then an additional seventeen after that. I have commanded at the company, battalion and brigade level (twice). I have served as the chief of staff for a two star command.

You have read after action reports at FORSCOM and follow a website on military corruption.

Congrats on that breadth of knowledge.

Not surprised no enlisted Soldier has asked you to administer the oath to them.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 10:04 am to
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eah, I thought you would have no interest in actually testing your theories. Your myopic version of reality. And Soldiers will suffer for it.

Twenty years? Nice. I had already served twenty before you even put on a uniform. And then an additional seventeen after that. I have commanded at the company, battalion and brigade level (twice). I have served as the chief of staff for a two star command.

You have read after action reports at FORSCOM and follow a website on military corruption.

Congrats on that breadth of knowledge.

Not surprised no enlisted Soldier has asked you to administer the oath to them.



Commissioned in 1985. I have had 7 years of command so I am not totally oblivious to leadership skills.

I didn't read the AAR until after I retired and actually started to dig into if my theory on the issues were just an isolated opinion. I found out it was well accepted amongst the rank and file, but was stifled in the name of political correctness. Similar to the way you have shot it down.

The website has been around a while and it was an enlisted soldier that showed it to me. It was also a site the military tried to block and shut down. Dig in their archives, some really good stuff.

Like I said, the Plunger Effect is alive and well in the military. Usually the COS becomes the debris left behind to continue the legacy after the clog is cleared. Maybe you are the exception.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 10:44 am
Posted by Whichwayisup
Member since Jun 2021
454 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 10:14 am to
The chief idiots

This administration is a nightmare, all you who voted for them should rescind your citizenship and move to China. THAT'S who you enabled with your vote
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:16 am to
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I graduated CGSC and Joint Staff College, so save your sanctimonious "I was there" BS 


You must have been in the 15% that can't read or write at a professional level and had to take remedial courses prior to the class starting given the way you post.

I was in class 2009-02 and shocked that MAJORS were unable to read and write at an 8th grade level (Army writing standard)

For AARs, if you are talking about CALL, those AARs are the worst examples of "Captain Hindsight."
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 11:20 am
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
126509 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:17 am to
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Maybe you are the exception.
How incredibly generous of you.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:23 am to
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and follow a website on military corruption.


Wait wait wait...he's touting militarycorruption.com?!!

Their hit rate is 50/50 at best.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:23 am to
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How incredibly generous of you.




Not really, my guess is you just fell through the cracks. What Branch ?
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