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re: Our jails should be filled with violent criminals
Posted on 6/18/17 at 2:56 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 6/18/17 at 2:56 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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And build more jails as needed.
We'd have to tear down 90% of our jails if we only jailed violent criminals. It would destroy the entire industry.
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Posted on 6/18/17 at 3:02 pm to Jake88
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Dig into their history beyond the instant offense and you will find violence in a vast majority of cases. Look at RAP sheets, look at what was pled down and charges simply dropped as part of a plea deal. These numbers are bullshite.
Correct. It's called plea bargaining. They are in prison for a non violent offense. But they actually committed violence. And they'll do it again when they get out.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 3:15 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Louisiana has the highest incarceration rate in the country, and if we were a country, we'd have the highest on earth.
per capita, Louisiana's incarceration rate is nearly 5 times Iran's, 13 times China's, and 20 times Germany's.
and does it seem like this approach is working?
are New Orleans and Baton Rouge safe places to be?
should we perhaps see what other places with lower crime rates do, and maybe try a system that works, or should we just say frick it and double down and jail even more people?
per capita, Louisiana's incarceration rate is nearly 5 times Iran's, 13 times China's, and 20 times Germany's.
and does it seem like this approach is working?
are New Orleans and Baton Rouge safe places to be?
should we perhaps see what other places with lower crime rates do, and maybe try a system that works, or should we just say frick it and double down and jail even more people?
Posted on 6/18/17 at 3:22 pm to MastrShake
Build more jails and jail more people until you come up with the miracle solution.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 3:30 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
A lot of those nonviolent dope heads get probation. Then they fail a piss test or stop showing up and arrest warrants are issued.
Don't feel sorry for them at all. They got several chances and screw it up.
Don't feel sorry for them at all. They got several chances and screw it up.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 3:35 pm to Jake88
quote:perfect answer.
Build more jails and jail more people until you come up with the miracle solution.
because obviously it would require a miracle to find a place with a low crime rate and study what they do, and who knows when god might bless us with that gift, so until then lets just frick everything up as fast as we can. lets really go for it!
Posted on 6/18/17 at 3:36 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
I agree 100% but it doesn't have to just be violent criminals, it should be all criminals who hurt others. If you steal from someone you can hurt them just as badly, or worse, than beating the shite out of them and you need to be punished accordingly.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 3:41 pm to MastrShake
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obviously it would require a miracle to find a place with a low crime rate and study what they do,
On a national level there isn't a place in the world that has similar demographics and a low crime rate. The only real answer to lowering our crime rate is to change our demographics but we won't ever do that so more jails is really the only answer.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 3:48 pm to MastrShake
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because obviously it would require a miracle to find a place with a low crime rate and study what they do, and who knows when god might bless us with that gift, so until then lets just frick everything up as fast as we can. lets really go for it!
You're naive. Let's study Iran and the Middle East for a solution to our crime. Let's study Germany, a culturally different country for our crime solution. Let's study China another culturally different country for their solution. How many of those countries even bother to solve or prosecute crime? You think out in the sticks of China anyone cares?
Building jails isn't fricking anything up. It's removing deserving criminals from society.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 3:57 pm to lsu480
quote:well this is a massive part of the problem right there. when everything is a crime, youre gonna have a high crime rate.
On a national level there isn't a place in the world that has similar demographics and a low crime rate.
national review...
"There is no one in the United States over the age of 18 who cannot be indicted for some federal crime,” retired Louisiana State University law professor John Baker told the Wall Street Journal in July 2011. “That is not an exaggeration.”
no one is even certain of how many laws we even have in this country. so for starters we need to decriminalize dumb shite like weed and not being able to pay traffic tickets. punish them, sure, make them do community service, but don't put them in jail.
Louisiana has 429 people serving life without parole for non-violent crimes. and yes, that leads the nation. Florida is second with 270, and they have a population of 20 million people compared to our 5 million.
that is fricking madness.
This post was edited on 6/18/17 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 6/18/17 at 4:01 pm to MastrShake
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Louisiana has 429 people serving life without parole for non-violent crimes. and yes, that leads the nation
Link?
Posted on 6/18/17 at 4:10 pm to Jake88
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Link?
you dont know how to highlight and right click?
Nowhere is the inequity of this system more apparent than Louisana. With 429 inmates serving life sentences for crimes like Winslow's, the state holds the record for the most nonviolent offenders locked up for life. A staggering ninety-one percent of these inmates are black. Louisiana State Penitentiary, where Winslow is housed, has the largest population of black men serving life sentences for nonviolent crimes in the world. It’s a problem so rampant, even the warden of the prison itself is speaking out.
“There’s an answer to this without being so extreme. But we’re still-living-20-years-ago extreme. Throw the human away. He’s worthless. Boom: up the river,” says Angola Prison Warden Burl Cain. “And yet, he didn’t even kill anybody. He didn’t do anything, he just had an addiction he couldn’t control and he was trying to support it robbing. That’s terrible to rob people—I’ve been robbed, I hate it. I want something done to him. But not all his life. That’s extreme. That’s cruel and unusual punishment to me.”
LINK
Posted on 6/18/17 at 4:16 pm to MastrShake
Community service? Really? That has already been tried and so many people are non-compliant that it's a joke of an option.
Blame the lazy dopers in the past for that. They burn chance after chance.
Blame the lazy dopers in the past for that. They burn chance after chance.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 4:16 pm to bmy
quote:This!
We'd have to tear down 90% of our jails if we only jailed violent criminals. It would destroy the entire industry.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 4:20 pm to MastrShake
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Using his existing criminal record, the prosecution sought the maximum punishment. His prior convictions, all non-violent felonies, made him a candidate for the notorious mandatory minimum sentencing laws.
So someone who is consistently committing burglaries should not be in prison?
They also acknowledge that his is the most extreme case. The non-violent felonies for others appear to include robbery and burglary amongst others. Should we not incarcerate those people? Are you joking? These articles seem to only focus on the instant offense that lead to the mandatory sentences. They don't seem to mention the prior felonies. This is obviously biased bullshite.
Bernie Madoff is a non-violent felon, let's let him out of prison too.
This post was edited on 6/18/17 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 6/18/17 at 4:22 pm to FCP
That's bullshite. There are thousands of violent criminals walking the streets right now. They are plea bargained, paroled and put on probation for lack of jail space.
If he imposed harsh penalties in violent criminals and left them in jail for a long time, the jails would fill and the prison industrial complex could ignore the nonviolent offenders.
Just read the story linked on the OT about the New Orleans carjackers. Both were repeat offenders.
Note: I am talking VIOLENT criminals.
If he imposed harsh penalties in violent criminals and left them in jail for a long time, the jails would fill and the prison industrial complex could ignore the nonviolent offenders.
Just read the story linked on the OT about the New Orleans carjackers. Both were repeat offenders.
Note: I am talking VIOLENT criminals.
This post was edited on 6/18/17 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 6/18/17 at 4:24 pm to VOR
Jail is not supposed to be pleasant. No weight rooms, no satellite TV, no A/C, ...
They should also only get bread and water unless they put in
an honest days work growing food or working in another prison area.
Some prisons grow crops, some have pigs and cows, etc. Let them tend to their own food.
They should also only get bread and water unless they put in
an honest days work growing food or working in another prison area.
Some prisons grow crops, some have pigs and cows, etc. Let them tend to their own food.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 4:26 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Liberal judges and too much flak for sending the wrong race to jail in high numbers, even though they commit most of the crime.
You been asleep, rip van winkle?
You been asleep, rip van winkle?
Posted on 6/18/17 at 4:26 pm to Jake88
quote:again, the problem here is that our laws are insane and we jail people for anything.
His prior convictions, all non-violent felonies, made him a candidate for the notorious mandatory minimum sentencing laws.
1 out of every 86 adults in Louisiana is in jail, yet we've still led the country in murders per capita for 27 fricking years in a row.
does that sound like jailing everyone is making things safer, or could it be thats its actually making things much worse.
quote:even the warden of Angola thinks its bullshite, but i guess you know the situation better than he does.
This is obviously biased bullshite.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 4:28 pm to Crimson Wraith
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Jail is not supposed to be pleasant. No weight rooms, no satellite TV, no A/C, ... They should also only get bread and water unless they put in an honest days work growing food or working in another prison area. Some prisons grow crops, some have pigs and cows, etc. Let them tend to their own food.
All of that has already been decided in the courts, and not in your favor (even though Texas prisons don't have AC, but it is controversial and likely to be decided as cruel and unusual).
Y'all really are ignorant of the world.
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