re: Our Government and UFOs

As a retired USAF veteran of 22 years and a former F-15, A-10 and F-16 Crew Chief I can say I have NEVER seen any of our top fighters do what these videos show these craft doing. If you ever get a ride in a fighter just a few G's have quite the affect on your body (I know from experience).

Also in addition to the above, I have had my own experience while stationed in North Texas with two objects I cannot explain. This involved multiple witnesses as well.

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Can Corbell get a damn suit!

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I kinda wished he wasnt part of the disclosure discussion. He has doubled on on stupid on a couple cases. I feel like him, Knapp and others are a bit to financially invested and arent staying objective enough in their reporting

So Thuper , TPE , do y’all think this all started with the Nazis?

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Teuton Armor
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Langley?

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So Thuper , TPE , do y’all think this all started with the Nazis?

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You mean did it start in the 40's? IDK man it would all be pure speculation on my part and I really just consider myself a close observer of the reporting of phenomenon not an insider, expert, witness, or believer.

That being said if I were to just let my imagination flow, with all the info I gathered over the years Id say there are multiple phenomenon occurring. Something that has been here a very long time and seems to be simply monitoring us and something else that is engaging us more directly for unknown reasons. Parts of it really seem to challenge our understanding or perception of reality. again these are just my thoughts and is probably non sense.

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It involves anal probes but that was just a drunken stupor with the Navy Boys. Nothing out of the ordinary for them.

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You would get off on that wouldn't you Cletus? Sorry to disappoint you but #1 I was an Airman, not a Sailor, and #2 That's truly disrespectful to generalized one of our military branches in such a pathetic an childish way. Maybe this discussion is not age appropriate for you.

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More truth to that than you may " realize"

The word real is derived from royal. What was accepted as truth was what the King deemed it to be (royal decree)

Some speculate that "they' live alongside us typically outside of our perceptions. Our senses acutually filter outer most of base "reality" allowing us evolutionary fitness advantages (reference work of Donald Hoffman). This tradeoff for fitness may now prohibit us from percieving all that is actually around us...

Within our limited construct, what is real is only what can be perceived...

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This is much closer to where I am. What we call "reality" and "science" is just us doing our best to explain what we perceive. People use these perceptions to make assumptions that themselves ASSUME that the nature and order of the universe as we are able to perceive it even give us an accurate portrayal that we are even able to make accurate perceptions and then presumptions upon.

We could simply be perceiving the universe in a way that doesnt even allow us to understand what we claim to understand. The nature of our existence and our place in what we call the universe is completely unknown to us. All of "science" may just be the product of what we are even able to comprehend.

The people saying alien life is a "statistical certainty" have to make the assumption that what we call statistics applies accurately to the nature and order of what we call the observable universe. We don’t even know what the universe is. For all we know and can understand, the universe is just a fishbowl and what we obsess over as "science" is just the observable limitations of the conditions of that fishbowl. But the true nature of how and why the fishbowl exists is so far beyond our comprehension and understanding, that as you said, we wouldnt be able to perceive it even if it was right in front of us or part of the fabric of the fishbowl we reside in.

Yet who we call "scientists" have the arrogance to treat these perceptions and the resulting presumptions from those perceptions as some kind of hardclad network of proof for something thats completely theoretical and unverifiable (like the existence of aliens.)

Look for Antarctica to be in the news in the not so distant future.

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This is much closer to where I am. What we call "reality" and "science" is just us doing our best to explain what we perceive. People use these perceptions to make assumptions that themselves ASSUME that the nature and order of the universe as we are able to perceive it even give us an accurate portrayal that we are even able to make accurate perceptions and then presumptions upon.

We could simply be perceiving the universe in a way that doesnt even allow us to understand what we claim to understand. The nature of our existence and our place in what we call the universe is completely unknown to us. All of "science" may just be the product of what we are even able to comprehend.

The people saying alien life is a "statistical certainty" have to make the assumption that what we call statistics applies accurately to the nature and order of what we call the observable universe. We don’t even know what the universe is. For all we know and can understand, the universe is just a fishbowl and what we obsess over as "science" is just the observable limitations of the conditions of that fishbowl. But the true nature of how and why the fishbowl exists is so far beyond our comprehension and understanding, that as you said, we wouldnt be able to perceive it even if it was right in front of us or part of the fabric of the fishbowl we reside in.

Yet what we call "scientists" have the arrogance to treat these perceptions and the resulting presumptions from those perceptions as some kind of hardclad network of proof for something thats completely theoretical and unverifiable (like the existence of aliens.)

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Well said. I agree with these observations. Science does the best it can at describing the knowable universe. It does not do a good job with origins / derivations (give us a free miracle and we will explain the rest...)

It is ALL we have to go on...





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