re: Omar: This is not going to be the country of the white people

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Horrible analogy. Here's a better one I arrived to the schoolyard to discover that literally every single person in the schoolyard has it some point kicked somebody else's arse for their lunch money. they simply rotated who's doing the butt kicking but they've done it forever. when I show up I figure out that I can kick all of their asses so I do and I take all their fricking lunch money. it's probably fair in the abstract to say I'm a bad guy but there's literally nobody in the school yard that has a right to bitch about it.

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Probably fair???? WOW....

SO there is no level to "crime"? My whupping one person's arse and taking his money is the same as me whupping eerbodies arse and taking all their money???? Mao and Hitler are equal and so is old dude who caught his wife and boyfriend together and shot them both dead in a fit of passion??? I see your point....I reject it out of hand but I see it....there is no degree of wrongdoing.....its one and all the same...

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Actually, it was the black tribes in Africa who started this mess. If they hadn't sold black people they captured to us then we wouldn't have had to fight the Civil War

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I knew someone would go there...never fails...all black people's fault.

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I only went there because you went to all white people in the USA are to blame for slavery in the USA and for having to have the Civil War.

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It doesn't excuse it but why is it never mentioned when discussing how white people treated red people?

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It isn't discussed when people discuss how white people treated native americans because it isn't the subject at hand. Not many people would begin discussing the Dutch Tulip Wars when the conversation they are in the middle of was of the merits of white people treating native americans poorly....why would anyone do that???

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First, they aren't "native" Americans. They have not always been in North America.

My point is if people are really upset about how poorly American Indians were treated by white people then they should also be upset and discussing how poorly some American Indians treated other American Indians.

Mistreatment of American Indians during that period of time was not limited to only white people.

if people who claim they are really upset about how poorly American Indians were treated by white people also discussed how poorly some American Indians were treated by other American Indians then it's an honest discussion.

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2 wrongs do not a right make.....

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Two rotten apples does not mean all of the apples are rotten.

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its an honest discussion but it is not the same discussion....again, if you and I are discussing the ill treatment of native americans (they most certainly aren't from India) at the hands of white people you are changing the subject if you bring the ill treatment of Indians at the hands of Indians...now if we are discussing how badly people have treated Indians your point would be valid....but changing the subject is not a normal means of discussing an issue....it is, however, a normal way of leading the discussion of an issue off on a tangent because a participant in said discussion is unable to stay on subject, usually because they know they do not have a valid point, but it can also stem from some sort of mental defect that prevents a person from focusing on the subject at hand...

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Meh, Non white people never want to discuss the mistreatment of American Indians by other American Indians. BTW, calling them American Indians doesn't mean they are from India. If they can be called "Native Americans" then I want to be called an "American Native" since I was born in North America.

They only want to discuss how some white people mistreated American Indians so they can condemn the entire white race for the actions of some white people.

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SO there is no level to "crime"?

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huh? Are you seriously going to try and act like whitey was somehow worse?

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My whupping one person's arse and taking his money is the same as me whupping eerbodies arse and taking all their money????

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oh ferfricksake

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I see your point....I reject it out of hand but I see it....there is no degree of wrongdoing.....its one and all the same.

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you can reject it all you like and come up with silly comparisons but the reality is native Americans were some barbaric motherfukers so if you're trying to paint the picture that somehow the white man was worse you're off your fricking rocker

Great post. Well stated.

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Meh, Non white people never want to discuss the mistreatment of American Indians by other American Indians. BTW, calling them American Indians doesn't mean they are from India. If they can be called "Native Americans" then I want to be called an "American Native" since I was born in North America. They only want to discuss how some white people mistreated American Indians so they can condemn the entire white race for the actions of some white people.

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I don't see any problem with you wanting to be called an American Native...have at it...who would have a problem with that???

Anyone who only wants to discuss "how some white people mistreated American Indians so they can condemn the entire white race for the actions of some white people" have to have some sort of mental problem....it'd be might near impossible to only have the ability to discuss one topic and function in society....and they'd be incredibly boring to be around.

If, however, you meant that "some white people mistreated American Indians so they can condemn the entire white race for the actions of some white people" when the topic of discussion is the fact that white folks mistreated Indians, which sure as the sun rises in the east did happen, and condemning all white people for some doing so, then you are merely stating that these people are capable of remaining focused on the topic of a discussion. Again, if these people staggered off on a tangent about the Dutch tulip wars in the middle of a discussion about the condemnation of the white race due to the mistreatment of Indians MOST people would find it a bit confusing.....It'd be like having a discussion with a 3 year old or someone with dementia....

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If, however, you meant that "some white people mistreated American Indians so they can condemn the entire white race for the actions of some white people" when the topic of discussion is the fact that white folks mistreated Indians, which sure as the sun rises in the east did happen, and condemning all white people for some doing so, then you are merely stating that these people are capable of remaining focused on the topic of a discussion.

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It's an irrelevant discussion.

Bad people did some bad shite to other bad people.

I'm not going to have people try to foist some sort of responsibility upon me just because I share a skin color with a subset of those bad people from hundreds of years ago.

and I'm also not going to let people pretend that The descendants of the bad people who lost have some sort of fricking claim on me.

And to be blunt that's the only reason the left wants to fricking talk about this shite until they lose their voices.

They can all suck it up buttercups. if I'm responsible for the small subset of white people that owned slaves or killed native Americans then native Americans are responsible for the subset of native Americans that wiped each other out and black people are responsible for the fairly large subset of black people that enslaved each other and then sold them to white people

We can play that stupid game or we can treat each other as individuals today and stop that nonsense

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Good God.This is straight out of the Bill Clinton school of long winded,obtuse responses that mean absolutely nothing

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I see y'all like the word "obtuse"....you have no clue as to its meaning and proper usage but you like the way it sounds...good for you...happiness is in short supply for some folks and if it makes you happy to misuse a word in this manner I say good on you!

As far as my being obtuse the word means "annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand"...I am being neither...I obviously have considered the point of the other poster....otherwise I wouldn't have been long winded as you point out and I most assuredly am....therefore I am not insensitive...annoying, yes, insensitive, no. I am also not slow to understand....I fully understand what the other poster is doing...even though they may not....they are changing the subject.....doing so to deflect from the subject at hand. One could say, were one wont to do such things, that what I was is perspicacious....