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re: Obama response to Ukraine vs other countries...
Posted on 2/20/14 at 3:09 pm to BeerCity
Posted on 2/20/14 at 3:09 pm to BeerCity
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He supports pot legalization. He would always have my vote just for that. I'd give him 4 more years if it was possible.
Finally, a little straight-up honesty.
Pathetic ... but at least it lays the cards out.
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Posted on 2/20/14 at 3:44 pm to GeneralLee
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Iranian Green Revolution- pro westerners (or at least more moderate), hung out to dry by Obama
None of our business
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Ukrainian Protestors- pro westerners, hung out to dry by Obama
None of our business
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Syria conflict- Obama threatens military action to defend Al Qaeda elements in Syrian civil war
The bottom line is that he did nothing which is good. It's none of our business.
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Egypt conflict- Obama urges Mubarak be overthrown as Muslims protest
Obama never egged on the protesters, he just stood by and let the Egyptians settle it on their own which is also good. It's none of our business.
Your nonsense reminds me of a great column that George Will wrote about conservative interventionists during the Egyptian revolution:
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In 1949, when communists came to power there, America bestrode both hemispheres shattered from war. Americans thought that their nation was at the wheel of the world and that whatever happened, wherever, happened at America's instigation, or at least its sufferance, or was evidence of American negligence.
It is a sign of national maturity - the product of hard learning, from Korea and Vietnam to Iraq and Afghanistan - that fewer American complainers are today faulting the Obama administration for not anticipating and shaping events in Egypt. Israel, which lives next door to Egypt and has an excellent intelligence service, did not see this coming. So, a modest proposal:
Those Americans who know which Republican will win next year's Iowa caucuses can complain about those who did not know that when a Tunisian street vendor set himself on fire, he would set a region afire. From all other Americans, forbearance would be seemly.
It also would be amazing, because there is a cottage industry of Barack Obama critics who, not content with monitoring his myriad mistakes in domestic policies, insist that there must be a seamless connection of those with his foreign policy. Strangely, these critics, who correctly doubt the propriety and capacity of the U.S. government controlling our complex society, simultaneously fault the government for not having vast competence to shape the destinies of other societies. Such critics persist because, as Upton Sinclair wrote in 1935, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
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Posted on 2/20/14 at 4:20 pm to GeneralLee
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Poland got thrown under the bus a few years ago when we abandoned our plan to put missile defenses in there.
It's wasn't cancelled...it's supposed to be installed in 2018. And I still think it's a ridiculous waste of money.
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For Ukraine and Iran, we either need to say nothing or mean what we say.
In Iran he voiced support for the right of the protesters...he didn't get into the internal struggle involving the presidency...because frankly he was trying to get to where we are today. And, additionally, there were basically no more sanctions to levy and short of military action words would have done nothing to change the outcome and the only result would have been a more hardened uncooperative regime.
Regarding the Ukraine - the EU and the US are threatening sanctions if the violence continues...that's about all the US can do...but I don't think we should even do that - it's not our problem.
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More than that, what is missing is an American defense of liberty and democracy. Just imagine what Reagan would be saying if he was president and this crap was going down in the Ukraine. A real leader like Reagan could put on enough pressure through diplomatic means to get the Russians to back off. Putin knows he owns Obama and can have free rein anywhere in Eastern Europe.
Words of a child living in a fantasy land...you've been run off this board a few times...please leave again.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 4:45 pm to GeneralLee
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A real leader like Reagan could put on enough pressure through diplomatic means to get the Russians to back off. Putin knows he owns Obama and can have free rein anywhere in Eastern Europe.
uh no.
I am the biggest Ronald Reagan fan on this board...bar none.
But you don't have a fricking clue what you are talking about.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 5:19 pm to asurob1
Some of these folks have made Reagan into a cartoon character, but he was a lot more pragmatic in reality.
1) He wisely cut his losses and admitted error by pulling out of Lebanon when our Marines got blown to smithereens.
2) He chose sanctions over invasion after Gaddafy blew up Pan Am 103 in retaliation for the Tripoli raid.
3) He reached out to Gorbachev and made a peace deal with the Soviets when hardliners thought he was selling us out.
If a Democrat had done any of these things these same folks would accuse him of being an appeaser.
1) He wisely cut his losses and admitted error by pulling out of Lebanon when our Marines got blown to smithereens.
2) He chose sanctions over invasion after Gaddafy blew up Pan Am 103 in retaliation for the Tripoli raid.
3) He reached out to Gorbachev and made a peace deal with the Soviets when hardliners thought he was selling us out.
If a Democrat had done any of these things these same folks would accuse him of being an appeaser.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:12 am to trackfan
What really needs to be pointed out is that everyone tries to figure out what his stance is on these situations but do not realize HE DOESN"T HAVE ONE! He does show favor to Muslim groups because he knows they are huge around the world (and he is one).
He has no clue on what to do in these situations, just like a kid who is scared to fight and says "well if you show up at my house that;s it"...then the other kid shows and he doesn't go outside..
He's clueless guys, you are overworking trying to understand what he thinks.....
He has no clue on what to do in these situations, just like a kid who is scared to fight and says "well if you show up at my house that;s it"...then the other kid shows and he doesn't go outside..
He's clueless guys, you are overworking trying to understand what he thinks.....
Posted on 2/21/14 at 11:37 am to BobBoucher
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the middle east directly affects our national security
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:04 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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WildTchoupitoulas
Laugh if you want but I guess you missed the news report on tv yesterday saying that there are 22 known terrorists cells in the U.S. - that we know about. The biggest was just discovered not long ago in Dallas of all places.
Now, if these guys coordinated an attack from within the U.S. at the same time would you still be laughing then?
Posted on 2/21/14 at 12:14 pm to Homesick Tiger
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Laugh if you want but I guess you missed the news report on tv yesterday saying that there are 22 known terrorists cells in the U.S. - that we know about. The biggest was just discovered not long ago in Dallas of all places. Now, if these guys coordinated an attack from within the U.S. at the same time would you still be laughing then?
So now you're saying that Dallas directly affects our national security?
I'd buy that.
But in terms of terrorism, you've put the cart before the ox. We didn't have these terrorists UNTIL we decided that the Middle East directly affected our national security.
In your opinion, how did the ME come to affect our "national security" directly?
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