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re: Nunes: Formal, foreign surveillance was used on Trump; Obama admin surveilled associates
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:22 pm to Deuces
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:22 pm to Deuces
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The POTUS is going to know that a FISA warrant was accepted against a political opponent in an ongoing presidential race. If you deny that, I really can't help you.
It is obvious you have misunderstood everything.
No one got a warrant to surveil anyone in the Trump campaign or administration.
A warrant was obtained for someone in a foreign country, or a foreign agent in our country, and a FISA judge agreed that the probable cause made it clear that they were a threat to the United States and needed to be surveiled...and someone from the Trump campaign/administration was in communication with them.
This is a HUGE nightmare for Trump, but will he realize this before he runs his mouth?
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:24 pm to Greatest Success
Wrong
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:24 pm to Greatest Success
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This is a HUGE nightmare for Trump, but will he realize this before he runs his mouth?
You missed the part about no intelligence value, and the part about it being retained anyway, and the part about the us citizens being unmasked, and the part about the EO to spread the information around the agencies?
I think you did.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:24 pm to choke
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Wrong
Nope, I am 100% correct.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:26 pm to jeff5891
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that is not a court ordered surveillance on Trump. This is what we always assumed happened with Flynn
And yet he was unmasked anyway...
Did a court order that?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:27 pm to Greatest Success
quote:
It is obvious you have misunderstood everything.
No one got a warrant to surveil anyone in the Trump campaign or administration.
A warrant was obtained for someone in a foreign country, or a foreign agent in our country, and a FISA judge agreed that the probable cause made it clear that they were a threat to the United States and needed to be surveiled...and someone from the Trump campaign/administration was in communication with them.
This is a HUGE nightmare for Trump, but will he realize this before he runs his mouth?
Correcting the Record
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:27 pm to Greatest Success
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This is a HUGE nightmare for Trump, but will he realize this before he runs his mouth?
So someone leaks what's supposed to be a secret investigation of a foriegner to the press because it involves Flynn, and it's supposed to be a nightmare for Trump?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:28 pm to Greatest Success
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This is a HUGE nightmare for Trump, but will he realize this before he runs his mouth?
You're a fool. They surveil almost all foreign actors in DC, including our allies, even German Chancellor Meriel. Obviously many on the transition team are going to speak with foreign actors so obviously they will end up on tape. The problem is that it's being hinted at that info incidentally collected may have been used against Trump by his opponents.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:28 pm to Greatest Success
Not according to Reuters.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:28 pm to Turbeauxdog
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You missed the part about no intelligence value, and the part about it being retained anyway, and the part about the us citizens being unmasked, and the part about the EO to spread the information around the agencies
That is the color added by Nunes. Let's bring it all out. More than likely, it will show communications with Russian contacts.
The key point I was address was this; no one got a warrant to surveil anyone in the Trump campaign or administration.
Also, Judges are VERY hesitant to issue FISA warrants. A large % of requests are denied. In these cases, probable cause was found. This means close Trump associates were in repeated contact with very bad foreigners that were being legally surveiled.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:29 pm to joshnorris14
Nunes just said in his Q&A that the report he saw contained additional unmasking, could be some more heads to roll soon.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:29 pm to Turbeauxdog
He's a new hack or alter. He doesn't care.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:31 pm to Jake88
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You're a fool. They surveil almost all foreign actors in DC, including our allies, even German Chancellor Meriel. Obviously many on the transition team are going to speak with foreign actors so obviously they will end up on tape. The problem is that it's being hinted at that info incidentally collected may have been used against Trump by his opponents.
This was no run of the mill surveillance. This was the result of a FISA warrant.
Stop what you are doing, go read up on what this means, and it will hit you that very close associates to Trump were talking to foreigners that a federal judge was convinced were an active threat to the safety of the United States.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:31 pm to Greatest Success
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Also, Judges are VERY hesitant to issue FISA warrants. A large % of requests are denied.
bullshite. Absolute bullshite.
You need a new account you're so pitiful... they deny 0.03% of requests. Here's from leftist rag Mother Jones...
LINK
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:32 pm to Greatest Success
quote:
The key point I was address was this; no one got a warrant to surveil anyone in the Trump campaign or administration.
Also, Judges are VERY hesitant to issue FISA warrants. A large % of requests are denied. In these cases, probable cause was found. This means close Trump associates were in repeated contact with very bad foreigners that were being legally surveiled.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:35 pm to Jake88
A lot of questions here...WHO ordered the FISA warrants and WHY?
Was Obama aware of this and of the fact that Trump people and maybe Trump himself were overheard?
WHY were the US citizens not handled as per procedure? WHO leaked?
Did Comey and Rogers know about this and lie to Congress?
Was Obama aware of this and of the fact that Trump people and maybe Trump himself were overheard?
WHY were the US citizens not handled as per procedure? WHO leaked?
Did Comey and Rogers know about this and lie to Congress?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:36 pm to Jake88
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It's news that incidental collection might have been used as a weapon against the incoming administration.
Might have been? That's conjecture, not news.
Come on. Reuters didn't even talk about that.
Nunes goes in to say that what he saw does not support Trump's tweets.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:38 pm to Greatest Success
WHAT did they talk about? Not to mention you can't make the claim you just did without knowing who the people named in the warrants were and why they were surveilled.
It is no crime to speak to the Russian Ambassador in pursuit of your duties.
It is no crime to speak to the Russian Ambassador in pursuit of your duties.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:38 pm to Greatest Success
quote:
Also, Judges are VERY hesitant to issue FISA warrants. A large % of requests are denied. In these cases, probable cause was found. This means close Trump associates were in repeated contact with very bad foreigners that were being legally surveiled.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:40 pm to NYNolaguy1
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The key point I was address was this; no one got a warrant to surveil anyone in the Trump campaign or administration.
Also, Judges are VERY hesitant to issue FISA warrants. A large % of requests are denied. In these cases, probable cause was found. This means close Trump associates were in repeated contact with very bad foreigners that were being legally surveiled.
This simply isn't true. Something like 95% of all FISA requests are approved, because under normal circumstances the bar is set very high to even request one.
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