re: NPR: The far right is the source of most political hatred & intolerance

Three men in Portland tried to stop white supremacist Jeremy Christian from harassing two women who appeared to be Muslim. For their bravery, the three men were viciously attacked; two were murdered and the third was seriously injured.

Or Anthony Hammond was arrested for stabbing a black man with a machete, after yelling racial slurs. While en route to the Lake County Jail, Hammond threatened to kill the transporting officer and his family once he was released. Hammond was charged with committing a hate crime, among other charges.

Two Native American men in Washington State were run over by a pickup truck driven by a white man shouting racial slurs and war whoops. One of the tribal members was killed and the other hospitalized.

Richard Collins III, an African American and Bowie State University student, was stabbed to death by Sean Urbanski, a member of a Facebook group called the "Alt-Reich: Nation."


All of this was just in May.


My point wasn’t to get to that level of ‘oh yeah well your side did this!’ It was to at least calm you down to the point of debating that both sides do awful shite and just throwing some hyperbole out there doesn’t work when you’re off this board. A dose of reality will help your menta health.

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Just as I thought at the beginning, you just want to argue so you're going through a bunch of semantic bullshite. Cops have not been attacked for political reasons by right wing groups the past couple years like they have been targeted by left wing rhetoric and the radicals that act on that rhetoric. You know full well that's what I have been saying from the start.

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bullshite. It isn't semantics. You have made unfounded claims and been shown lots of refuting evidence. Just because you don't like the facts, don't project your ignorance onto me. You are obviously dedicated to this false trope that "the left is killing cops". Perhaps one day your mind will open to the facts.

In any event, your basically claim is demonstrably false (as is your claim that "left wing groups" killed cops):

2016 - right wing Iowa cop killer sentenced to 2 life terms

2017 - Colorado cop killer liked to spread alt-right and 4-chan memes


I picked those 2 because they were withing the last 2 years, like you have now moved the goalposts. But what about before that? It wasn't even debatable that cop shootings were more from the right wing in the preceding years. So, again I ask: presumably you were madly up in arms about all this right-wing-inspired cop killing?

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In fact, he as not a supporter and was a "republican conservative".

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And that still doesn’t change my mind that its not natural in either side. Both have their idiots. Just can’t convince people around here of that I guess.

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Because we are subjected to the NPR-type narrative at every turn. When Charlottesville happened, the left blamed everybody on the right, especially our President. Any hate crime where a minority is the victim gets covered wall-to-wall as an example of the rise of the violent alt-right. But when Steve Scalise gets shot by a left-wing lunatic, he's a lone wolf or a lone gunman. There is such a double standard in our media coverage it's absolutely ridiculous. And I didn't vote for Donald Trump.

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Eh. I feel like both sides are guilty of this. Anytime the criminal is black, the right likes to use it to paint all blacks as criminal. Anytime the criminal is white (think Dylan Roof or Sandy Hook), it's just a "crazy" guy or a lone wolf and never representative of any underlying ideology or influence.

I stick to the easiest policy: the shooter is responsible for the shooter's actions. Sarah Palin did not shoot Gabby Giffords and BLM (or whoever) did not shoot Steve Scalise.

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Of all their shortcomings perhaps the worst trait that is seemingly uniform across all progressives is their complete lack of self awareness.

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Good lord this. HRC is probably the least aware pol of all time. Though she's more of a Trotskyite than a progressive.

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My point wasn’t to get to that level of ‘oh yeah well your side did this!’ It was to at least calm you down to the point of debating that both sides do awful shite and just throwing some hyperbole out there doesn’t work when you’re off this board. A dose of reality will help your menta health.

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Reality is that not one violent act was committed by a Trump supporter against lefties until after lefties invaded a Trump rally and violently attacked Trump supporters.

Another case of projection

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h, the right doesn't blame all blacks for a singualr black crime.

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The OT certainly does.

In general, the pattern is, if the criminal is black, then he committed the crime at least in part BECAUSE he was black. If the criminal was white, he's just crazy and not representative of whiteness at all.

I believe where TigerChief's argument is failing to make a point with you, is his focus on violence against cops instead of the big picture. Set aside an individual doing this or that and look at the general tone of thr party leaders and party itself.

The point he should be making is that Dem LEADERS AND THOSE WITH A POWERFUL VOICE condone and even promote violence through means of protest and other disruption right out in the open, where republican leaders do not. There's countless examples of powerful Dems and progressives calling for their constituents to #resist, meanwhile no Conservative leaders call for anything even remotely similar.

There's examples of this everywhere, even on the first page of PT right now:

Supporters of Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters reportedly burned and stomped on an American flag they snatched off a pickup truck Thursday, while chanting "Black power" outside her California office.

The demonstrators showed up with the intent of countering a planned protest from a far-right group.

That group, the Oath Keepers, had said they would rally against the congresswoman they call a "protest terrorist inciter" early Thursday afternoon, prompting counterprotesters to rally in support of Waters. But the Oath Keepers did not arrive, the Los Angeles Times reported.

Still, a few dozen pro-Waters counterprotesters, including union workers, church leaders, South Los Angeles residents and members of activist groups, gathered outside the office around midday.

Some demonstrators chanted, “Black power,” while other held signs that read, “Resist!”

At some point during the protest, a vehicle with an American flag on the back approached and was stopped by the crowd.

Some protesters opened the car doors while others grabbed the flag as the vehicle drove off. The flag was then stepped on and set ablaze as someone stoked the flames. A few people cheered and someone yelled, "This is not the American flag, this is their flag."

I seem to remember Waters herself asking her constituents to resist violently, and here they are doing just that WITHOUT ANYONE THERE TO EVEN "COUNTER" PROTEST.

shite like this is happening on a daily basis in Progressive strongholds like Portland, San Francisco, Seattle, NY, etc. Where are all the riots in Conservative areas like Alabama, Arkansas, Oklahoma, the entire midwest, etc?

It cannot be argued which side is more violent and unruly, unless you have an agenda and a narrative to sell. I seriously have to ponder anyone's credibility and sanity that thinks otherwise.

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One group drove a car through a crowd

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I feel reasonably certain a group didn't do any such thing