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“no systematic evidence of anti-Black disparities in fatal shootings”. New paper
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:20 pm
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
sooooooo, it seems if you take into account all Variables, there's no sign of systematic racism? Hmmm, interesting what you find when you don't cherry pick stats for your argument / agenda!
Now, if Kapernickalbery could just show evidence of systematic oppression
Wait, wait a damn minute. This completely destroys the Left and all blacks that have been indoctrinated with Victimhood...THIS IS RACIST!
Now, if Kapernickalbery could just show evidence of systematic oppression
Wait, wait a damn minute. This completely destroys the Left and all blacks that have been indoctrinated with Victimhood...THIS IS RACIST!
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:27 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Facts are racist.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:29 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Muh police shootings.
One thing that has always somewhat bothered me with the disparity of Caucasian/Black shootings (and those in prison for that matter) is how do they rate that exactly? You hear a lot how blacks make up 50% of prison population and how "whites get off b/c of white privilege".....BUT..... what I would like to see is the total number of crimes and the adjudication of each crime by race.
One thing that has always somewhat bothered me with the disparity of Caucasian/Black shootings (and those in prison for that matter) is how do they rate that exactly? You hear a lot how blacks make up 50% of prison population and how "whites get off b/c of white privilege".....BUT..... what I would like to see is the total number of crimes and the adjudication of each crime by race.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:29 pm to member12
I do think there is a problem with LEO having way more power than intellect, but its not a racial problem.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:30 pm to bstew3006
Liberals create a narrative to accomplish their goals. No amount of facts will change their minds. Their religion is liberalism - and everything that that entails. For example: there are still plenty of liberals who can look at socialist Venezuela and want to replicate that in the USA. We are dealing with fanatical zealots.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:32 pm to idlewatcher
quote:This would require facts. And the group making these claims don't necessary base a lot of their accusations on facts.
You hear a lot how blacks make up 50% of prison population and how "whites get off b/c of white privilege".....BUT..... what I would like to see is the total number of crimes and the adjudication of each crime by race.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:32 pm to idlewatcher
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One thing that has always somewhat bothered me with the disparity of Caucasian/Black shootings (and those in prison for that matter) is how do they rate that exactly? You hear a lot how blacks make up 50% of prison population and how "whites get off b/c of white privilege".....BUT..... what I would like to see is the total number of crimes and the adjudication of each crime by race.
I saw a study on this, not looking it up right now lol
But it showed that since 1980, 46%-48% of all murders or all violent crime was committed by 6.5% of the population (black males). Stop committing crime and your arse might not get shot by policy or end up in Prison. Just a thought
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:35 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Good stuff
Though I thought I remember reading that, due to the Ferguson effect, there was evidence of a Black-White disparity in that police were actually less likely to shoot blacks?
Though I thought I remember reading that, due to the Ferguson effect, there was evidence of a Black-White disparity in that police were actually less likely to shoot blacks?
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:35 pm to Mahootney
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This would require facts. And the group making these claims don't necessary base a lot of their accusations on facts.
Oh no doubt. I wouldn't trust NYPD's "facts" with Toddy's dick. Creative ways to clear the books while also not counting certain crimes as certain crimes.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:35 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Ummmm...
Article really doesn't say anything.
Controlling for "crime"? Now we have to define what a crime is. If a black man does it, it's a crime. If a white man does the same thing, it's not a crime. Take cocaine/crack, for example, or public drunkenness, or disturbing the peace, or driving with a taillight out, or speeding, or running a red light, or possession of marijuana.
They want you to believe that their "multiverse analysis" takes everything into account and evens out the variables, I can guarantee you it does not. I know many of you want to believe that there really isn't a problem, but there is, and it's complicated.
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Exposure to police given crime rate differences likely accounts for the higher per capita rate of fatal police shootings for Blacks, at least when analyzing all shootings. For unarmed shootings or misidentification shootings, data are too uncertain to be conclusive.
Article really doesn't say anything.
Controlling for "crime"? Now we have to define what a crime is. If a black man does it, it's a crime. If a white man does the same thing, it's not a crime. Take cocaine/crack, for example, or public drunkenness, or disturbing the peace, or driving with a taillight out, or speeding, or running a red light, or possession of marijuana.
They want you to believe that their "multiverse analysis" takes everything into account and evens out the variables, I can guarantee you it does not. I know many of you want to believe that there really isn't a problem, but there is, and it's complicated.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:36 pm to NYNolaguy1
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do think there is a problem with LEO having way more power than intellect, but its not a racial problem.
There isn’t a racial issue but just the overall numbers of police shootings, i’ve said before, with many a downvote, when police approach routine traffic stops with a hand on their holster, when guns are drawn when not drawn upon, the situation is there for mistakes and overreaction
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:37 pm to bstew3006
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But it showed that since 1980, 46%-48% of all murders or all violent crime was committed by 6.5% of the population (black males).
Well that's kind of my point. If blacks are stopped by police more often than white/asian/messicans, then of course the probabilities skyrocket for an issue to occur.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:39 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Article really doesn't say anything.
Yea, it actually does. Basically stop cherry picking stats to push an agenda and start using all variable to solve a problem. It might not be "PERFECT" not sure if you can account for all variables, but it does bring context to the discussion. You don't have to like the end result, but doesnt make it not true.
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They want you to believe that their "multiverse analysis" takes everything into account and evens out the variables, I can guarantee you it does not. I know many of you want to believe that there really isn't a problem, but there is, and it's complicated
The problem isn't Racial, which the left and blacks want you to believe, its just not true. Adding just a few more variables into the equation, blows that argument out the water. I agree that there needs to be more non lethal force used, body cams, more extensive traing and mental assessments. Plenty of bad cops out there. But to say that one race is systematically targeted more than another, just isn't true.
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Well that's kind of my point. If blacks are stopped by police more often than white/asian/messicans, then of course the probabilities skyrocket for an issue to occur.
Exactly! If one particular race commits more crime, then yes, you will have a higher chance of Prison or altercation with police. But that's not what the Left wants you to believe, they say the number is skyrocketed bc they are black, no other reason.
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:46 pm to bstew3006
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If one particular race commits more crime, then yes, you will have a higher chance of Prison or altercation with police.
That's not what the statement you quoted said:
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If blacks are stopped by police more often than white/asian/messicans, then of course the probabilities skyrocket for an issue to occur.
It says simply if blacks are stopped more often, they are exposed more often. It doesn't assay that they commit crime more often, kust if stopped more often - which they are for similar activities.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:51 pm to bstew3006
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The problem isn't Racial
You're right, I mean most of those arrests are coming in urban centers, and look who's running the cities these days. The problem isn't racial, the problem is all the black mayors and council members.
amirite?
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:51 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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If a white man does the same thing, it's not a crime. Take cocaine/crack, for example, or public drunkenness, or disturbing the peace, or driving with a taillight out, or speeding, or running a red light, or possession of marijuana.
Well I'm white and I know what I'm doing this weekend.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:55 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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The problem isn't racial, the problem is all the black mayors and council members
If you think that's the problem, then go for it.
But if you think it is Racial, then point out the data that backs up Systematic racism, remember, use all variables to back up your claim. Just bc someone feels a certain way, doesn't mean they are right. Victomhoodism
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If a white man does the same thing, it's not a crime.
pretty sure if I drive drunk and pulled over, I'm not getting away with it. Or if I'm busted with cocaine and hookers, me being white will be irrelevant. But sounds like a great fn time before being busted This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:57 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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The problem isn't racial, the problem is all the black mayors and council members.
The real problem is law.
Qualified immunity, a nonexistent fourth amendment, little to no required documentation of use of force, and a general reluctance to document police activity and provide transparency for govt employees.
Thats the real problem.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 4:01 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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WildTchoupitoulas
You responded to the wrong baw......baw.
I said
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If blacks are stopped by police more often than white/asian/messicans, then of course the probabilities skyrocket for an issue to occur.
you retorted
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It says simply if blacks are stopped more often, they are exposed more often. It doesn't assay that they commit crime more often, kust if stopped more often - which they are for similar activities.
No shite, which is exactly what I said
The other guy talked about "more crimes".
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