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re: NJ challenging EO to end birth right citizenship
Posted on 1/23/25 at 8:58 pm to Vacherie Saint
Posted on 1/23/25 at 8:58 pm to Vacherie Saint
But the baby parents could get legally married.
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Posted on 1/23/25 at 8:58 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Why not? You made the point
No I didn't. I said no major court agrees with you.
That doesn't mean I stated I know exactly how many times it's come up.
Posted on 1/23/25 at 8:58 pm to Vacherie Saint
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baby born of a foreign national on a ship in US waters is NOT guaranteed citizenship unless certain “qualifiers” are met. Not constitutional?
Link? Born in US territorial waters = US citizen with the same qualifications as babies born on land.
Posted on 1/23/25 at 8:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
lol, you dont know shite.
You are doing the old “intellectualized attrition” routine to make you feel like youve won something.
You are doing the old “intellectualized attrition” routine to make you feel like youve won something.
Posted on 1/23/25 at 9:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No I didn't. I said no major court agrees with you.
We can imagine how your colleagues and courts think about you. I’m sure you’re no different in your profession than you are on here.
Posted on 1/23/25 at 9:01 pm to Vacherie Saint
From a purely academic perspective i always welcome direct challenges like this to Federal/Constitutional law.
It helps clarify things ultimately in most cases. Also could introduce novel legal thoughts.
I appreciate when people poke the bear when it comes to tough and/or rarely talked about regulatory/constitutional issues.
He could have a couple of FUN ones with ANILCA and ANSCA in Alaska.
It helps clarify things ultimately in most cases. Also could introduce novel legal thoughts.
I appreciate when people poke the bear when it comes to tough and/or rarely talked about regulatory/constitutional issues.
He could have a couple of FUN ones with ANILCA and ANSCA in Alaska.
This post was edited on 1/23/25 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 1/23/25 at 9:03 pm to Vacherie Saint
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lol, you dont know shite.
I know a lot of things that I keep having to explain to you.
You just make up facts to claim I'm wrong and then jump to ad homs because your white flag is up, otherwise.
Posted on 1/23/25 at 9:04 pm to momentoftruth87
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We can imagine how your colleagues and courts think about you.
They know who I am on here and always comment on how dumb and crazy y'all are
This post was edited on 1/23/25 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 1/23/25 at 9:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
Lol
Posted on 1/23/25 at 9:06 pm to gaetti15
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I appreciate when people poke the bear when it comes to tough and/or rarely talked about regulatory/constitutional issues.
The thing is, this one isn't particularly tough.
People just want the law reversed, like Roe, due to socio-political reasons (not legal arguments).
And I understand the socio-political reasons, but I reject their analysis/motivation.
Posted on 1/23/25 at 9:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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They know who I am on here and always comment on how dumb and crazy y'all are
So Bucky and Roger are your butt buddies and they’re really not in Alaska and Wisconsin? Shocker! Oh can’t forget hit and run L1C4.
This post was edited on 1/23/25 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 1/23/25 at 9:07 pm to Indefatigable
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Born in US territorial waters = US citizen with the same qualifications as babies born on land.
Bzzzt. The Esquire is wrong.
Posted on 1/23/25 at 9:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Saying we can't afford birthright citizenship and entitlements is a non-legal argument (just made in the other thread a few minutes ago)
The racist/demographics arguments are non-legal.
Etc.
I'm beginning to understand why people hate you.
I answered your questions and this is the response... Clearly I'm not talking about or defending random people on the internet. Our exchange had nothing to do with that.
But you've successfully ignored whatever else I said and moved the conversation to something more agreeable to you, hence the crowd that can't stand debating you.
Posted on 1/23/25 at 9:08 pm to Indefatigable
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the citizenship of children born on vessels in United States territorial waters or on the high seas has generally been held by the lower courts to be determined by the citizenship of the parents.
LINK
There are exceptions of course. You can find them here
LINK
So no, friends… Ju soli is NOT unqualified.
Posted on 1/23/25 at 9:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but I reject their analysis/motivation.
Posted on 1/23/25 at 9:10 pm to JoeHackett
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But you've successfully ignored whatever else I said
You keep trying the same points I've already addressed and dismissed.
Non-legislative sources are not legislative intent. You can't manufacture them into legislative actions to fit the argument, no matter how much that would help your argument.
Posted on 1/23/25 at 9:10 pm to the808bass
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Bzzzt. The Esquire is wrong.
Esquire? Lol
Where are you getting this idea?
Posted on 1/23/25 at 9:12 pm to JoeHackett
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But you've successfully ignored whatever else I said and moved the conversation to something more agreeable to you, hence the crowd that can't stand debating you.
He’ll take one sentence from your post, wrest it from context, form a fantasy position that makes a straw man look like 16 ga steel and think he’s crafted a zinger.
Posted on 1/23/25 at 9:12 pm to Vacherie Saint
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of children born on vessels in United States territorial waters or on the high seas
Two different situations.
Children born on ships in US territorial waters (ie the 12 mile limit) are US citizens subject to the same conditions as the 14th provides.
Are you thinking of babies born in the EEZ?
This post was edited on 1/23/25 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 1/23/25 at 9:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Non-legislative sources are not legislative intent.
Correct. It’s just real-world intent. This is what matters to actual people.
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