re: Newt: an absolutely rigged election in 2020

quote:

---

The left ignores the fact that the rigging claims include the suppression of things like the Hunter Biden laptop ahead of the election. They selectively focus on the court cases.

---

Well that's because things like the laptop are major pivots.

Just like the changes in voting, etc. that were never mentioned when the true believers pumped the frick out of the Kraken.

The level of honesty would be increased if people who are pivoting would be honest and admit the Kraken was bullshite and they're embarrassed to have believed such silliness from the outset of these discussions. This silent pivot to other things that were never considered "rigging" or "fraud" in real time when the focus was on the Kraken...lets just say raises questions.

And things like MIV/ballot harvesting were not partisan. In 2020 I posted often about how Trump should have been devoting resources to that as a better, more efficient use of resources than the huge amount they devoted to in person voting. It wasn't some secret, nefarious plot that only could have helped DEMs. The DEMS just committed to it because they understood how right I was and how much smarter it was to use resources there.

Then pivoting to non- factors like Hunter's laptop just shows the desperation. What did Hunter's laptop have to do with Biden's re-election campaign? We already knew Hunter was a drug-addicted degen. We all knew that long before we had confirmation with the laptop. The only people who think it had any political value were already voting for Trump. No moderate was like, "You know, Hunter's laptop made me almost vote for Trump, but once I thought it was Russian disinformation I felt secure in voting for Biden"

quote:

---

That is pathetic.

---

It's factual.

quote:

---

That's what SFP cannot seem to absorb regarding his "facts don't matter" philosophy.

---

Strawman. I said the facts were fine. Your issue is the law

quote:

---

As we've seen in this thread though, the left, sycophant legal supporters, and the judiciary refuse to even try to dispute those facts or engage in discussion about them.

---

Again, because your problem is the law, not the facts.

quote:

---

The intimation in that refusal is lack of acknowledgement is not just coincident and acceptable, but opponents are tin-foil-hat conspiratorialists.

---

No that's ignoring the law and trying to idiosyncratically dismiss court rulings based on personal subjectivity (biased by partisanship) and using this individually-declared illegitimacy as evidence of a larger conspiracy (again, biased by partisanship).

Now you're using the strawman fallacy to improperly restate arguments.

quote:

---

Given the premise that it is not necessarily corruption in elections, but rather the perception of corruption

---

This is the power of conspiracy theories and why people who recognize them are so loud responding to them.

Trump is smart enough to know the power of the conspiracy theory, which is why he's retreated to keeping these allegations in that realm (after taking so many Ls and watching the Kraken crew hurt so much by their stupidity and silliness). That's why the DOJ doesn't seem to be investigating this anymore (which would be 2 different Trump-led DOJs coming to that conclusion).

quote:

---

the refusal to acknowledge facts embedded in events like 2020 is not just obnoxious. It is dangerous.

---

Um, 14 pages of me asking for the evidence, brother, with no evidence given yet.

quote:

---

Also, until the retardation of this board during the MAGA era, I was one of the more celebrated posters.

---

Uncle Rico

quote:

---

Then pivoting to non- factors like Hunter's laptop just shows the desperation. What did Hunter's laptop have to do with Biden's re-election campaign? We already knew Hunter was a drug-addicted degen. We all knew that long before we had confirmation with the laptop. The only people who think it had any political value were already voting for Trump. No moderate was like, "You know, Hunter's laptop made me almost vote for Trump, but once I thought it was Russian disinformation I felt secure in voting for Biden"

---

You are so confident in your wrong assertions.

quote:

---

Media Research Center (MRC) claimed 17% of Biden voters in swing states would have changed their votes if aware of the laptop’s contents.

---

quote:

---

Is there anyone who actually believes that it wasn’t rigged? Or do they just keep up the lie, for… well I don’t know what for

---

Was the 2016 election rigged? 2024 election? Why not? What made 2020 special? Why is it that you only claim the election your guy lost was rigged but the elections he won were totally valid? Why would “they” rig 2020 but not the others?

quote:

---

In this thread, you've been slapped wop-sided with the evidence.

---

Which evidence, specifically?

quote:

---

Was the 2016 election rigged?

---

There was the attempt. It failed.

quote:

---

2024 election?

---

There was an attempt. It failed.

quote:

---

Why would “they” rig 2020 but not the others?

---

False premise.

LINK

quote:

---

The poll in question was done by the Polling Company, a conservative pollster founded by Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway, on behalf of the Media Research Center. MRC is a conservative organization that runs Newsbusters, a website that documents what it perceives as a liberal bias in the media. (The website regularly criticizes The Fact Checker.)

---

quote:

---

Over several days, we sent numerous queries to both MRC and the Polling Company seeking additional information on the poll’s methodology. We did not receive a response, so we will have to rely on a public document posted on the web.

This was an online survey, conducted Nov. 9-18, 2020, of 1,750 Biden voters in the battleground states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. The voters were randomly selected from opt-in participants, with an effort to ensure proportional and representative demographics, the poll says.

The strange thing about this poll is the questions. These were not neutral questions designed to elicit opinions. Instead, they were framed to test negative messages about the Joe Biden-Kamala Harris ticket or positive messages about the Trump administration in an effort to see whether any of these statements would be effective in moving votes.

This type of polling is typically done before an election so a campaign can test the most compelling arguments for its ads and speeches. But it’s not very useful for estimating the real-world impact of campaign messages, since it’s impossible to deliver all voters a message in a vacuum and to isolate its impact from competing arguments.

---

quote:

---

Oddly, despite the statements by Comer and Fallon, none of the questions specifically mention the Hunter Biden laptop or the New York Post articles about it. The closest approximation is this one:

quote:

---

“At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that evidence exists, including bank transactions the FBI is currently investigating, that directly links Joe Biden and his family to a corrupt financial arrangement between a Chinese company with connections to the Chinese Communist Party that was secretly intended to provide the Biden family with tens of millions of dollars in profits?”

---

Notice how the question raises the prospect of an FBI investigation, a “corrupt financial arrangement” and “tens of millions of dollars” for Joe Biden and his family? To this day, none of those allegations, a staple of Trump’s campaign rhetoric, has been proven.

---

Try again

quote:

---

There was the attempt. It failed.

---

How would you respond to Democrat who bemoaned that the elections democrats won were valid but the elections democrats lost were stolen/rigged? “They tried to rig 2020 but they failed. But they succeeded in rigging the elections democrats lost.”