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re: Newly Released Peter Strzok Doc

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Posted by Godfather1
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 1:00 pm to
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So... "just following orders", you say?


Herr Reichsmarshal Goering, Generals Keitel and Jodl, et al, would like a word.
This post was edited on 8/8/25 at 1:02 pm
Posted by idlewatcher
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 1:00 pm to
There is no doubt in my mind the net has been thrown and catches made.

Continue to do the drip drip to get more people/whistleblowers on DOJ's side to save their own hides then start arresting these mofos
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 1:00 pm to
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I said that the underlying analyses at issue are subjective and based on opinions, and proving otherwise at a criminal trial will require a mind reader or smoking gun.


Article from 2020 - Newly Declassified Document Indicates FBI Misled Congress on Reliability of Steele Dossier
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Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 1:01 pm to
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So, there is really nothing stopping any POTUS from using known fabricated intelligence reports as weapons against their political opponents then, right? You would see no legal problem with JD Vance and Trump doing so against the upcoming Dem candidate, right?


Some of us warned y'all what this major expansion in powers and protections of the Executive would lead to.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 1:01 pm to
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This is exactly what he is saying.

It is not. Stop perpetuating a straw man.

Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 1:01 pm to
There it is.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 1:02 pm to
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Article from 2020 - Newly Declassified Document Indicates FBI Misled Congress on Reliability of Steele Dossier


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that indicates the Bureau misled the Senate Intelligence Committee in 2018


What does 2018 have to do with July 2016 to January 2017?
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 1:02 pm to
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Some of us warned y'all what this major expansion in powers and protections of the Executive would lead to.


So again, there is no legal bounds as long as you hold office as POTUS, in regards to fabricating evidence to smear your opponent. It's a simply yes/no answer.

And "some of us", you have rabbit in your pocket? Who is "us"?
Posted by seedmonster77
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 1:02 pm to
I feel like /pol was talking about this stuff during Trumps 1st term in office. Either ##it or get off the pot. Everyone knows these people are dirtier than Mike Pence's underpants.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 1:03 pm to
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There it is.


LINK
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 1:03 pm to
It’s like watching a 4cubbies performance.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 1:04 pm to
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there is no legal bounds as long as you hold office as POTUS, in regards to fabricating evidence to smear your opponent. It's a simply yes/no answer.


We don't really know, yet. But it's much more likely now than 14 months ago that it will be considered legal.

But your framing still isn't fully accurate for Russiagate. Your inclusion of the intentionality hasn't yet been established for Russiagate.
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 1:04 pm to
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What does 2018 have to do with July 2016 to January 2017?


You should learn to read.

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The document includes talking points from the FBI’s briefing of the Senate Intelligence Committee in February 2018 and details the FBI’s assessment of the primary source of the information contained in the Steele dossier. This FBI briefing to Members of Congress occurred after the FBI had learned that the Steele dossier was unreliable in 2017.


You going to get there on your own, or do you need someone to hold your hand?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 1:04 pm to
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It’s like watching a 4cubbies performance.

I see you didn't answer the question.
Posted by jammajin
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 1:05 pm to
"But opinions differed, especially in the summer of 2016."

If the Rep party plays this correctly (a big IF) and just focuses on getting all the "facts" out as they see them, these scumbags as a whole should be exposed (again) for who they really are and who they really were in the summer of 2016.

This has the potential to "change opinions" of a whole lot of middle of the road Americans in a manner that could keep the current view of Dems (about 27% approval) where it is or lower for quite some time.

Which at least to some like me is far more important than the nuance you want to argue here. Or whether Strzok does the perp waddle.

There is a percent of OMB people who don't want to continue down that path (because they see what's working) but can't justify changes horses mid stream (without looking like "hypocrits"). This situation provides them with a scapegoat (ie. OMB but this is worse and effected my position).


Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 1:06 pm to
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You going to get there on your own, or do you need someone to hold your hand?


We have evidence they learned this prior to January 20, 2017?

I mean that's the inauguration date. We don't have any indictments yet so we don't know when the last day of that purported conspiracy was. I imagine it was prior to then, but am willing to look at credible evidence to the contrary.
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 1:07 pm to
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We don't really know, yet.


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But it's much more likely now


Never change, SFP.

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But your framing still isn't fully accurate for Russiagate


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Your inclusion of the intentionality hasn't yet been established for Russiagate.


Well no shite, sherlock. I guess that's why it's currently being investigated. However, unlock the wise family lawyer that is an expert in all areas of law, i am able to use context clues and logic to interpret what has happened.

Now tell me, was it your focus on family law, insurance law, criminal law, constitutional law, maritime law, or bird law that has made you so wise as to know the workings of this particular case?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 1:08 pm to
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This has the potential to "change opinions" of a whole lot of middle of the road Americans

I doubt it. The only people who care about this are MAGA and political junkies.

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There is a percent of OMB people who don't want to continue down that path (because they see what's working) but can't justify changes horses mid stream (without looking like "hypocrits"). This situation provides them with a scapegoat (ie. OMB but this is worse and effected my position).

Even if your scenario, this only hurts Obama, and he can't run again.

Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Strzok, etc. aren't running for President, either.
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 1:08 pm to
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We have evidence they learned this prior to January 20, 2017?


followed by

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I imagine it was prior to then,


Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 1:09 pm to
Why would I answer a bad faith question?

If you’re not arguing for something you believe to be right, why would I try to convince you it’s wrong?
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