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re: Need help finding video of Black ex-cop breaking down Ahmaud Arbery case
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:28 pm to idlewatcher
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:28 pm to idlewatcher
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Check with More or Les as he’s the self proclaimed expert who was apparently on the scene.
He
Knows
All!
#MAGA
Only thing you got right is MAGA!
The FACTS remain:
McDumbasses had NO immediate knowledge of a Felony as required to arrest or detain anyone.
McDumbasses committed aggravated assault (as they are charged) which led to the felony murder (as they are charged) of mr. Arbery.
The cops lied to Mrs Arbery, according to multiple, unrefuted reports.
The second DA lied multiple times in his recusal letter, according to his recusal letter and a simple watch of the video.
The McDumbasses lied to the cops according to the police report.
Thems are facts.
Murder.
Cover up.
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Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:39 pm to SuperFanDan
I know it isn't popular on this board, but is this really the hill you want to die on? So many questions but it looks like they're definitely more guilty than not. I mean, a guy following them filming? The frame just happening to miss the questionable action that killed the guy?
Turn your mission to getting Trump elected. Pay attention to Obamagate. Spread that word.
Turn your mission to getting Trump elected. Pay attention to Obamagate. Spread that word.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:44 pm to Brannigans_Law
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the ONLY piece of evidence that may stop him from walking away a free man is if the prosecutors can convince the jury that he was raising his firearm at AA instead of at the ground
Looks like he did in that clip, not much convincing needed.
Also rumored that we're seeing a low res video, police have high res video. So if that is, or is not the case, hopefully a higher res video will tell.
There's more than him seemingly raising his gun, the jogger shifted his path to the passenger side of the vehicle, and the driver moved to block him.
Georgia is a stand your ground state. The jogger didn't have to retreat when someone is within arms reach, or maybe two arms reach, pointing a gun at him.
While I don't think the jogger was a decent citizen, the truck driver is likely guilty of felony murder. Sad that a few seconds of bad judgement could ruin that man's life.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:46 pm to Giantkiller
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I know it isn't popular on this board, but is this really the hill you want to die on? So many questions but it looks like they're definitely more guilty than not. I mean, a guy following them filming? The frame just happening to miss the questionable action that killed the guy?
Turn your mission to getting Trump elected. Pay attention to Obamagate. Spread that word.
Precisely the point ive been trying to make. This aint White Brother Whore-hey or hands up don't defend yourself, this is a real murder and a real cover up and this MAGA MF aint here for it.
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:55 pm to Azkiger
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While I don't think the jogger was a decent citizen,
This is part of the problem. There is zero evidence that this guy was involved in anything nefarious. Tell me how unemployed Daddy's couch living Travis was such a better citizen?
And it turns out the Dad was a complete frick up in law enforcement and lost his leo powers/privilege twice and nearly fricked his DA's office out of several years of convictions.
Not only did this stupid mf not have immediate knowledge of a felony required to make a citizens arrest he had a legal obligation to participate in NO SUCH activities.
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In a "Memorandum of Understanding" signed by McMichael, his boss at the time, District Attorney Jackie Johnson, wrote that McMichael "will not engage in any activity that would be construed as being law enforcement in nature," and, "To that end, Mr. McMichael will not carry a firearm or badge, nor will he operate any vehicle in the motor pool outfitted with lights, siren or police radio equipment."
McMichael previously received a warning in 2014 after failing to finish mandatory firearms and use-of-force courses, and the documents show McMichael repeatedly failed to complete training over the course of several years.
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:16 am to More&Les
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Precisely the point ive been trying to make. This aint White Brother Whore-hey or hands up don't defend yourself, this is a real murder and a real cover up and this MAGA MF aint here for it.
They killed the guy. Maybe he was inside a house under construction or not, who the frick cares? These guys got shotguns and chased him down. Whether or not he went for the gun is irrelevant. They cornered him and whatever he did to retaliate is probably justified...
But the point I’m trying to make is that Republicans look like idiots trying to defend these pieces of shite. frick this and frick them. There’s much more to talk about right now and putting your fingers in this case is too muddy to mess with right now.
There’s more to talk about right now that affects Republicans/Americans in the grand scheme. Pay attention to THAT.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:07 am to Giantkiller
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But the point I’m trying to make is that Republicans look like idiots trying to defend these pieces of shite.
Welcome to the party pal
Posted on 5/15/20 at 5:33 am to SuperFanDan
For the men to make a legal citizens arrest, they had to have witnessed or have 1st hand knowledge of a felony. There is still no evidence a felony was committed, as the former officer states in this video. People go into unoccupied homes under construction all the time to view floor plans, paint colors, tile selections, etc.
I’m still having a hard time justifying the two men shooting him. I’d like to see more than 7 seconds of the video inside the house and what was said in the police interviews after the shooting.
I’m still having a hard time justifying the two men shooting him. I’d like to see more than 7 seconds of the video inside the house and what was said in the police interviews after the shooting.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 6:35 am to SuperFanDan
Posted on 5/15/20 at 6:39 am to LSUGrrrl
quote:
For the men to make a legal citizens arrest, they had to have witnessed or have 1st hand knowledge of a felony. There is still no evidence a felony was committed, as the former officer states in this video. People go into unoccupied homes under construction all the time to view floor plans, paint colors, tile selections, etc.
There was no felony, the homeowner has confirmed that nothing was disturbed, damaged or stolen and the site is open.
He walked into an open construction site looked around for a few seconds and left.
Moreover the shooter and his father, who was an permanently suspended ex-LEO that was legally obligated NOT to participate in any sort of law enforcement, including making arrests, didn't even know about the construction site entry at the time according to their statements in the police report.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 8:08 am to steadytiger
I love Stefan and I often agree with him 100%, but he's totally wrong.
He says that Greg's multi-decades of experience give him the leway to just believe he had a right to make a citizens arrest.
Its the opposite, he has no excuse for not knowing the law and more importantly, he had his police and arresting powers stripped away from him specifically for missing years of training in the use of force and for ignoring multiple warnings to comply with said requirements.
He signed a memorandum of understanding that he would not engage in ANY law enforcement type activities.
He not only didn't have the legal grounds to affect a citizen's arrest, he had the legal obligation not to.
Also, most of the "burglary" information he and the DA site simply never happened.
The only burglary that was reported to the police was a gun taken from Travis unlocked car in December I think, with no witnesses and absolutely zero evidence that Arbery had anything to do with it.
He says that Greg's multi-decades of experience give him the leway to just believe he had a right to make a citizens arrest.
Its the opposite, he has no excuse for not knowing the law and more importantly, he had his police and arresting powers stripped away from him specifically for missing years of training in the use of force and for ignoring multiple warnings to comply with said requirements.
He signed a memorandum of understanding that he would not engage in ANY law enforcement type activities.
He not only didn't have the legal grounds to affect a citizen's arrest, he had the legal obligation not to.
Also, most of the "burglary" information he and the DA site simply never happened.
The only burglary that was reported to the police was a gun taken from Travis unlocked car in December I think, with no witnesses and absolutely zero evidence that Arbery had anything to do with it.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 8:35 am to SuperFanDan
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Basically he just presents the facts surrounding the new surveillance video of Ahmaud illegally entering a vacant dwelling that was being renovated before being yelled at and chased off by one of the two men that eventually chased him down, got in a scuffle over a shotgun and shot him.
He got a lot of it wrong. And Arbery wasn't running from the house due to Roddy or the McMichaels, they had no idea he had sneaked into a house under construction/renovation.
In the elder McMichael's statement he states they were chasing Arbery because he looked like he might be someone responsible for some thefts in the area, that's not enough under Georgia law to authorize a citizen's arrest.
Furthermore, thanks the to slowed-down and magnified video we now see that Travis McMichael got out from the truck as Arvery was running toward them (and from Roddy) and then aimed his shotgun (which is when Arvery dodged to the passenger side). McMichaels drew on Arvery before there was ever a physical altercation, underscoring (as if it needed any more underscoring) that the McMichaels were the aggressors and Arvery was defending himself.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 8:35 am to Giantkiller
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But the point I’m trying to make is that Republicans look like idiots trying to defend these pieces of shite.
Personally I haven't defended anyone. My gripe is the left wing and their media throws things like this at our feet like we fricking did it. To hear them talk you would think all the conservatives on this board got together, ran down to Brunswick and orchestrated the whole damn thing.
Because of that I have the same feelings about the left wingers as you just expressed about us. frick that and frick them, I didn't have a God damned thing to do with it
Posted on 5/15/20 at 8:47 am to Brannigans_Law
No one on this board has made more sense than officer tatum. Check your emotions at the door.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 9:02 am to FredBear
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My gripe is the left wing and their media throws things like this at our feet like we fricking did it. To hear them talk you would think all the conservatives on this board got together, ran down to Brunswick and orchestrated the whole damn thing.
We know the media is the enemy of the people. We know they are going blame all white people and somehow make it sound like Trump issuesd an EO to gun arbery down.
We help their cause when we defend these two clowns, as many on here have been doing.
Ive been labeled a race baiting liberal cuck because I have maintained that the McDumbasses had no legal authority to detain Arbery and therefore assaulted him, leading to his death.
They committed murder and the DA covered it up
This post was edited on 5/15/20 at 9:04 am
Posted on 5/15/20 at 9:04 am to SuperFanDan
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was being renovated
quote:
No BS, just facts.
Does not compute.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 9:47 am to Brannigans_Law
Where can I find a link to this slowed down magnified video this clip is from?
Posted on 5/15/20 at 10:33 am to mouton
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Where can I find a link to this slowed down magnified video this clip is from?
I just watched the clip, that damn sure looks like Travis raising the shot gun and pointing it at Arbery....
It was already over for the McDumbasses but its over for the McDumbasses.
And Frankly, I doubt the Cobb DA is going to offer a plea deal after seeing that.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 10:48 am to More&Les
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Also, most of the "burglary" information he and the DA site simply never happened.
The only burglary that was reported to the police was a gun taken from Travis unlocked car in December I think, with no witnesses and absolutely zero evidence that Arbery had anything to do with it.
false
this article includes audio of a 911 call from 12 days before the killing, travis mcmichael reporting a "suspicious person" who ran inside the very same house-being-built (which was posted with "NO TRESSPASSING" signs, by the way) when he and mcmichael saw each other that night.
another point is that felony burglary occurs when you enter a premises that is not your own with the intent to commit a crime, any crime. obviously the mcmichaels couldn't have known his intent, but they had reason to suspect exactly that from his flight when spotted. so, yes, it seems they did have grounds to make a legal citizen's arrest.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 10:54 am to Bard
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And Arbery wasn't running from the house due to Roddy or the McMichaels, they had no idea he had sneaked into a house under construction/renovation.
huh?
when he was spotted in the house, he took off running, as witnessed by the first 911 caller. it's on video.
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