re: Need an explanation on homosexuality

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how recent is this theory or explanation

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What are you referring to, the fact that we didn't evolve from modern apes or allopathic speciation?

Humans evolving from modern apes has never been part of evolutionary theory at any point in time. Allopathic speciation is one of the oldest recognized forms of evolution and predates your birth by decades. I would imagine you were either taught incorrectly or, more likely, you simply misunderstood what you were being taught.

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Why does science have to periodically change their views of what happened if the Science is as settled as you make it out to be?

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Evolutionary theory has been remarkably stable for the better part of a century, even more so since the field of genetics emerged as a leading biological science. Intricacies changing based on the evidence at hand is not a change in the core principles. For instance, a new discovery showing that Julius Caesar was assassinated on March 14th instead of March 15th would change nothing about the events surrounding his death.

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Fact is I could have a list a mile long and you would pay no attention to my arguments.

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Incorrect, if you were an accomplished biologist/geneticist/etc. with extensive qualifications and evidence to back up your claims I would absolutely give you the chance t persuade me.

The fact of the matter is however that people with those types of qualifications don't outright deny evolution.

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So you are saying I could be fired for being a Baptist? Or a Republican? Right. See you in court on that one.

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If you went around harassing fellow employees about it, you're damn right you can be. If some moron wouldn't shut the hell up about politics and constantly pissed off the rest of my office, I'd can his arse.

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Evolutionary theory has been remarkably stable for the better part of a century, even more so since the field of genetics emerged as a leading biological science. Intricacies changing based on the evidence at hand is not a change in the core principles. For instance, a new discovery showing that Julius Caesar was assassinated on March 14th instead of March 15th would change nothing about the events surrounding his death.

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So you deny that this chart was used to teach evolution when I was in jr. High?

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No they don't, they use the law of the jurisdiction they serve. Cops arrest people for things they aren't personally morally opposed to all the time.

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And the law is based on an accepted moral code.

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Now you are changing your argument. Originally you said you didn't want morality to be used to curb or restrict private conduct. Once I showed you this is already done, you moved the goal post.

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Clearly I´m missing something here. Is depriving another human being of their life private conduct?

First of all, that chart isn't showing man evolving from modern apes. It shows man separating from an ancestral species and the subsequent progressive changes.

Second, that was never meant to teach evolution. It is a visual aid to help people wrap their minds around the idea of progressive change. It is in no way indicative of the extensive sequence of anatomical changes that occurred over the course of millions of years.

Here is a slightly better though still simplistic chart:

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You missed the point of my post. I don't want anyone's morality to be the foundation for our secular laws.

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But laws are and always have been rooted in some sort of moral code and always will. You simply want people to suspend morality when it come to homosexuality because you favor the practice.

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But laws are and always have been rooted in some sort of moral code and always will.

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This is simply not true. SOME laws have origins in the subjective morality of the culture they were implemented in. The law in and of itself is not a reflection of morality.