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re: Navy officer applies to become the first ever woman to join the elite SEALs
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:43 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:43 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:Well to be fair, SOCOM welcomed women with open arms. They didn't even attempt to put up a fight against women in their units. The USMC is the only service that even tried. And I'd argue that the special forces community relies more on technology, training and massive amounts of logistical and intelligence support than they do unit cohesion. Unit cohesion is probably more important to the infantry. Especially since real infantry operations are more taxing and take a larger toll on the body than typical SOF operations do. If anything, SOF should be allow women before the regular infantry does. SOF forces tend to be older and more career oriented. The infantry is a bunch of young kids out of high school.
Well, sorry sweetheart, but as special as the Marines are, they aren't same as the special forces community which relies on unit cohesion more than any other area of the military.
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:44 pm to Argonaut
quote:Thats how I feel
think the WNBA is pointless and should go away.
About women in the military
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:44 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Oh does the year make a woman stronger, faster? More mentally strong?
Nope.
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No it doesn't not when you are talking in the aggregate, which is what we're discussing here.
It absolutely does for this topic. We're talking about a selective process, not bulk intake of bodies.
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Yes, because prove is the correct word here.
No, it isn't. You've proven nothing, and even the Marine Corps had to selectively edit their report to get their point across.
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When you put what you want above what's best for a team you have disqualified yourself from being on that team. Whether you are male or female. In fact in the military sometimes you are in a position where you must choose whether to sacrifice yourself to save said team. A person who forces their way onto a team that is better off without them isn't likely to choose to make that sacrifice.
Goes both ways.
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as special as the Marines are, they aren't same as the special forces community which relies on unit cohesion more than any other area of the military.
This was my point.
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Special operators are alpha males, alpha males who are in superb physical condition, now drop a physically attractive female in their midst and watch unit cohesion fall apart.
Back to where we started. "Men are weak. Keep women away."
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:45 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Everyone who has served knows about minimum physical requirements. It's drilled into your head. "you must be able to......." to stay in the military.
Minimum standards don't keep you in a SEAL platoon.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:46 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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This is what Norway did. An all female special forces unit.
Pretty good documentary on it i watched on youtube
but my god those females were an emotional wreck going through training. Now imagine that happening in combat.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:46 pm to Argonaut
quote:Please, women in those units can't drop their panties fast enough.
Back to where we started. "Men are weak. Keep women away."
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:47 pm to Argonaut
quote:outperforms all other non selected men who applied?
If a woman outperforms other men, I expect you'd support her selection
Well ok. This has never happened and never will. I'm glad to see you have come around
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:47 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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I don't care what you think about the WNBA
Then don't ask me questions about the WNBA.
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Yes or no?
I already answered this.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:48 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Please, women in those units can't drop their panties fast enough.
People are weak. We agree.
He isn't there yet.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:49 pm to Argonaut
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Your argument about training resources is a solid point,
So today that's a solid point but yesterday you claimed that was not a good point and simply making that point was evidence someone had not been to Coronado. Please nail down your argument.
Also, still reading through the thread and looking forward to reading those omitted study results you've surely posted by now.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:49 pm to ShortyRob
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outperforms all other non selected men who applied?
Yes.
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I'm glad to see you have come around
I'm exactly where I started, unfortunately.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:50 pm to northshorebamaman
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So today that's a solid point but yesterday you claimed that was not a good point and simply making that point was evidence someone had not been to Coronado. Please nail down your argument.
This poster actually backed up his point. Crazy how that works.
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Also, still reading through the thread and looking forward to reading those omitted study results you've surely posted by now.
I didn't need to. Someone else already posted it.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:51 pm to Argonaut
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I'm exactly where I started, unfortunately.
Ok
And. There has never been a time when a selected woman outperformed all non selected men who applied.
There never will be such a time.
So. Thanks for coming around.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:52 pm to Argonaut
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That's complete bullshite. Personal trainers are staffed at the base gym and are free to anyone with access. The heavies can use them, dependents can use them, retirees can use them, etc.
You must have been to some sweet duty stations. I've never seen a military gym with personal trainers.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:53 pm to Argonaut
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This poster actually backed up his point. Crazy how that works
You're correct. I did
And then. You disregarded the point as something i didn't really care about.
THIS, despite it being literally my only point of objection.
You'll note. I've said nothing about cohesion, panties etc etc
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:54 pm to ShortyRob
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There has never been a time when a selected woman outperformed all non selected men who applied.
I already made that point pages ago.
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There never will be such a time.
Cool. Problem solved.
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Thanks for coming around.
Still exactly where I started.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:55 pm to northshorebamaman
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I've never seen a military gym with personal trainers.
You aren't missing much. They don't seem to be very useful.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:55 pm to Argonaut
quote:The. Stop whining about men being weak.
People are weak. We agree
quote:I don't know what this means.
He isn't there yet.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:56 pm to ShortyRob
I questioned why this was your main point of contention on training resources.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 12:57 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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The. Stop whining about men being weak.
I pointed it out. You're the one getting stirred up about it.
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